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What is your opinion on the Ashley Madison Hack?

Website is at fault 10 3.36%
 
Website and users are at fault 34 11.41%
 
Everyone subject to hacking is a victim 44 14.77%
 
All cheaters should get screwed 75 25.17%
 
Cheating is no big deal, ... 8 2.68%
 
I hope I am not among the names leaked 11 3.69%
 
I keep my Love Pillow awa... 1 0.34%
 
Hackers, cheaters and the... 30 10.07%
 
The people cheated on and... 41 13.76%
 
I don't care. 44 14.77%
 
Total:298

No one should ever consider themselves a universal judge like this and what the hackers have done is terrible and could wreck lives.

Here's an example: A few months back my girlfriend said she had created an Ashley Madison account with a friend on a bored Saturday night to see if any of their co-workers were on there, one guy in particular who was always having affairs at work. She didn't pay anything, and didn't pay to have her registration deleted. Now, if she hadn't told me before and only told me this when the leak came out I would have potentially suspected her for being a past cheater. It could have created suspicion and ruined an otherwise happy relationship, without grounds.

Beyond examples of false blame, who knows what reasons people have. Perhaps a wife has lost all libido and granted her husband permission to have a discrete affair. The public knowledge could crush her. Even for those truly caught in the act, I've known women (and men) who had break downs after the whole community found out their sig other was a cheater. Can you imagine if the whole world knew? This could lead to suicide of not only cheaters, but victims of cheating too.

The hacking is evil, stupid, and will cause more harm than any of the cheaters ever did. The culprit is an idiot for thinking they are fit to judge and deal out justice. And this is coming from someone who despises cheating.



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TheLastStarFighter said:
No one should ever consider themselves a universal judge like this and what the hackers have done is terrible and could wreck lives.

Here's an example: A few months back my girlfriend said she had created an Ashley Madison account with a friend on a bored Saturday night to see if any of their co-workers were on there, one guy in particular who was always having affairs at work. She didn't pay anything, and didn't pay to have her registration deleted. Now, if she hadn't told me before and only told me this when the leak came out I would have potentially suspected her for being a past cheater. It could have created suspicion and ruined an otherwise happy relationship, without grounds.

Beyond examples of false blame, who knows what reasons people have. Perhaps a wife has lost all libido and granted her husband permission to have a discrete affair. The public knowledge could crush her. Even for those truly caught in the act, I've known women (and men) who had break downs after the whole community found out their sig other was a cheater. Can you imagine if the whole world knew? This could lead to suicide of not only cheaters, but victims of cheating too.

The hacking is evil, stupid, and will cause more harm than any of the cheaters ever did. The culprit is an idiot for thinking they are fit to judge and deal out justice. And this is coming from someone who despises cheating.


I find this very odd, the thought that some things are better off being lied about forever and that the family would be better off not knowing that someone was spending their families incoming to have sex with another married person... it's nuts.

Would be like someone having a go at the courts for bringing people up for fraud... like everyone was fine with it until the damn courts said about it, how dare they ruin lives of people who cheat!! like I said, nuts imo.



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It's hard to care, honestly. All this news of an obscure website being hacked is really over exaggerated.

But actions like cheating always have potential consequences, and people who perform such actions can't complain when their risk didn't go as they liked. It's their own doing.



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kumagawa said:
Imaginedvl said:
Mystro-Sama said:

I don't pity them since they were stupid enough to put there personal info on a website that revolves around cheating and charges you to delete your personal info.

Though I am glad for divorce lawyers. This must be a wet dream for them.

Really? So using an online service and providing your personnal info is "stupid" now?

While I do not support cheating in general they are using a online service (like any other online services out there... I'm sure you are giving your personnal info to Sony or Microsoft while using Xbox Live/PSN or Netflix etc...) and there is nothing wrong into that (or stupid). And the website being about having an affair is in no way a valid reason to have their information being stolen by hackers.

To OP:

Website and hackers are at fault (you miss this one...)
No matter what the website is about, being hacked and having our personal data being accessed from hackers is the only issue here. Those people who used the website to cheat are in no-way responsible for that.


Putting your real personnel information on the internet has been stupid for nearly a decade.

I have my personnal information on my internet provider website, Microsoft website, Google... my bank... my phone provider, netflix, etc... and I suspect it the same in your case if you are a normal adult living out there... At least it is the case of the majority of people.

Nothing stupid here... It is just normal and expectd.



Not everyone who used this site cheated, a lot of Homosexuals in countries where they would be killed or ostracized and this hack has put all of those people in danger.

Even for the cheaters, it's none of our business.



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Soundwave said:
metroidking said:

Just because something is deemed "natural" doesnt mean that its right. If that were the case why would we need laws? and I dont think having multiple partners is natural dont know what the hell your basing that off. I know people who are high school sweethearts and been married for 30+ years, 


If having one single partner all your life is natural then your body should "naturally" turn off any type of attraction to anyone else the moment you find "the one". But we all know that certainly doesn't happen. 

I'm in a happy commited relationship too, to a very attractive woman, but I'm not going to lie and say I change the channel when I see a sexy woman on the TV or I've never, ever once while dating her ever thought of having sex with a different girl. Pretty much all married men look at porn, and they sure as hell are not thinking about their wife when going through their porn stash. 

I know people who are in 30+ year relationships and didn't even know each other before marriage (arranged marriage) and honestly their marriage is stronger than anyone elses marriage that I know. But that doesn't mean romance or the courtship period is completely invalid. 

Modern marriage is just a man made creation to keep society somewhat more streamlined and mostly to protect the rights of a woman for the sake of child rearing. If there was some terrible war/plague or something that wiped out say 90% of humanity, their value system would likely change in a hurry and men would likely be encouraged to fuck and women would be encouraged to be promiscious because it would be advantagous to society to repopulate quickly.

But that's kinda beside the point in this instance (though a fun conversation), I don't think the hackers are in the right. 


Modern marriage is marriage. A creation. That doesn't mean that family is a modern invention. Humans saw that building a family had better chances of survival and having better offspring. Men, much like apes, have "defense" mechanisms against infidelity like stronger sperm than other men, having more desire for the spouse after a long time without seeing her because of fear of her being with other men and building more sperm in the testicles to defeat the other men's sperm.

Also, why do you keep shaming men? Are you that feminist that you think women should be put in a pedestal and all the shit they do is because the man was a wuss? Or do you just think you, as a man, is an irrational primate that can justify his actions because of this and can't help him?



ganoncrotch said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
No one should ever consider themselves a universal judge like this and what the hackers have done is terrible and could wreck lives.

Here's an example: A few months back my girlfriend said she had created an Ashley Madison account with a friend on a bored Saturday night to see if any of their co-workers were on there, one guy in particular who was always having affairs at work. She didn't pay anything, and didn't pay to have her registration deleted. Now, if she hadn't told me before and only told me this when the leak came out I would have potentially suspected her for being a past cheater. It could have created suspicion and ruined an otherwise happy relationship, without grounds.

Beyond examples of false blame, who knows what reasons people have. Perhaps a wife has lost all libido and granted her husband permission to have a discrete affair. The public knowledge could crush her. Even for those truly caught in the act, I've known women (and men) who had break downs after the whole community found out their sig other was a cheater. Can you imagine if the whole world knew? This could lead to suicide of not only cheaters, but victims of cheating too.

The hacking is evil, stupid, and will cause more harm than any of the cheaters ever did. The culprit is an idiot for thinking they are fit to judge and deal out justice. And this is coming from someone who despises cheating.


I find this very odd, the thought that some things are better off being lied about forever and that the family would be better off not knowing that someone was spending their families incoming to have sex with another married person... it's nuts.

Would be like someone having a go at the courts for bringing people up for fraud... like everyone was fine with it until the damn courts said about it, how dare they ruin lives of people who cheat!! like I said, nuts imo.

Your response is not what I said.  I never said that things are better being lied about.  What I am saying, is that's for the individual situations and liers to sort out, not some idiot in a basement on a computer who knows nothing about the situation.  Ask yourself this question:

Who  did a worse act:

-A man who cheated on his wife.

-A man who revealed information, the result of which caused 27 suicides, combined centuries of sadness and depression to harmed individuals, 100s of children who had difficult lives due to broken homes and depressed parents, perhaps resulting in their own drug addictions or crimes, and thousands more broken formerly healthy relationships for no reason because of individuals who had used Ashley Madison as a joke or possibly had their email stolen.

I'm not saying no-knowledge, no-harm.  What I'm saying is it's not the place of an interenet hacker to decide, and there is no question the hacker's actions will directly result in far more real-world harm.



Soundwave said:
LivingMetal said:


Actually, it was with her own money.  Her mother passed away last year so she inherited her mother's house then later sold it this year.  So the house and money earned was under her name, and she had every legal right to do as she pleased. And what pleased her pleased me.  Her choice which I most appreciated.  Relating to the topic, the choices and actions we take have an effect.  Go figure.

Yes like hacking into a website and illegally stealing private information and then revealing said information without consent should get you charged and thrown in prison. Go figure. 

And you sound(wave) like a broken record because...



ganoncrotch said:
CladInShadows said:
The hackers are at fault. The website is negligent. The users of the Ashley Madison service are 100% victims.

All the "holier than thou" moral police who think these people deserved their fate are disgusting people. Mind your own business and realize that people were victims of a crime. Last I checked, infidelity wasn't a crime, while hacking and stealing sensitive information most certainly is.

If it wasn't mentioned already to you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#Adultery_and_the_law it is a crime in many places. a lot of US states have it criminalized and also in loads of other countries it can be cited as reasons for divorce often favouring the "cheated on" partner in terms of possession of the assets/kids.

Adultery isn't fine because a site selling it said it's fine to do, that's bad logic.

I live in Canada.  I don't care about the 21 states that decided it was illegal.  And I never said adultery was fine. All I'm saying is that hackers and social justice warriors on the internet have no right to decide what is and isn't fine and enact some punishment.



ganoncrotch said:

Not really sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that people can freely watch stuff online guilt free now, but maybe this AshleyMadison hack will make people think twice before jumping on stuff like this online, just because your newsagent isn't giving you judging looks while buying it now... doesn't meant it isn't immoral.

What gives you the authority to determine what's moral and what isn't?