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Who would you rather vote for the US presidency?

Hillary Clinton 418 42.01%
 
Donald Trump 288 28.94%
 
None 163 16.38%
 
None of them will win the... 41 4.12%
 
Clinton if we don't find... 12 1.21%
 
Subway sandwiches now taste illicit 37 3.72%
 
Donald Trump can't survi... 36 3.62%
 
Total:995
Rpruett said:

Trump.

He's qualified with working high-end, high stakes business with clients from every nationality in just about every sector of the world. He's graduated from one of the best universities in the nation. He's increased his families wealth nearly 20-fold during his lifetime. He's been very straight-forward in the way that he handles every topic and he discusses all of them. His ego is huge, but so is his desire to succeed at all costs. Elon Musk also has a huge ego, and desire to succeed at all costs.   Both the Left and the Right (Dislike him), which to me says that he's the perfect guy to mix up the status quo that we live in regardless of candidate selected.   He's too wealthy to be easily manipulated and he very clearly understands the most important issue for America is to make their economy as good as possible and other things fall into place.

Clinton? She isn't qualified. She's clearly been caught in numerous lies and scandals herself, while in public office. Ask yourself this, if she married another man (Say one that wasn't President of the United States) what credentials and how far into politics would/should she have made it? Not even close. She's a notorious liar, all money she's earned has been through donations or political favors and not through working a real career.   If her name were Jenna Smith and completely unrelated to Bill Clinton, why would you vote for her? 

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I agree with this, almost 100%. I'll vote trump, but I don't believe he has a real shot.... though I hope he does.



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Donald Trump.

I can't imagine a single candidate who would be more appropriate as the face of American politics.



Hilary hates video games. Trump hates minorities.

I am a video game playing minority.

For the first time in my life, I wish I was a convicted felon so people would have nothing to say about me not wanting to vote.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
Hilary hates video games. Trump hates minorities.

I am a video game playing minority.

For the first time in my life, I wish I was a convicted felon so people would have nothing to say about me not wanting to vote.

It's easier to educate people about video games being a lot more benign than what they think than it is to make someone like Trump less bigotted. So their respective shortcomings are not equally bad.

OTOH, Trump might just be playing to the crowd and not really be as bigotted as he's pretending to be. Whereas Hilary's disdain for video games is probably not being put on for cynical expediency.

On the other other hand, if Trump is feigning bigotry to play to the crowd he needs for support, that could be said to be bigger character flaw than being an actual bigot, and certainly a bigger character flaw than genuinely, though ignorantly, hating video games.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

I am still waiting for the punchline in the Trump joke. Is it an elaborate prank, or a social experiment to find out the level of stupidity and obnoxiousness people are willing to tolerate?



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I feel bad for you Americans your politicians are just jokes now, bush was just the beginning lol



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JWeinCom said:

It is simply not 100% CEO.  To avoid getting into it, I'll just use a simple example, the military.  From a business perspective, the military is useless.  While it does create jobs, it is a huge drain on the economy.  In a business sense it would make sense to cut it out completely.  But of course, there is a security issue as well.  Social issues are something typically not in the realm of a CEO in the same way, nor is border control.  And even economic issues are far different.  The government is ultimately (or at least shouldn't be) a money making endeavor.   Again there are some skills that crossover, but it's just not the same thing. 

On  issuesthe, those are really broad statements.  A lot of people agree with securing borders, but you need a plan to do that.  His idea of forcing Mexico to build a fence is silly.  It doesn't account for the changing demographics in immigration (less immigrants are coming from Mexico as opposed to other regions) and the idea of having Mexico build a fence is laughable enough that even right wing pundits like Bill O Reilly have pointed out its stupidity.  Replace common core with what exactly?  I find that most people opposed to common core are more opposed to what they think Common Core is as opposed to what it actually is (I'm a teacher btw).  I'm not a huge fan of common core, but it's hardly the boogeyman people make it out to be.  But, what does Trump want to replace it with?  Because if we leave it to each school district to decide, we're going to have an educational disaster.

On the subject of flip flopping, see Trumps ideas from his pseudo campaigns from 2000, and see them now.  He's been consistent in few things (tariffs for instance), but has switched in many issues from tax reform to abortion and so on.  

I'm not a big fan of Hilary.  I'm aware of her general positions, but I'm not quite aware of the specifics.  I do support the Iran deal she brokered, her stance on abortion and gay rights, raising the minimum wage, stem cell research,  and so on.  I'm going on the assumption that she's better than Trump, because Trump has showed an utter disregard for any form of research (for exmample him fumbling around when asked where he got his information about immigration during the debate), outright looniness (for example that climate change is a chinese conspiracy... Even IF you don't believe in climate change, the idea that China has that degree of control over the global scientific community to organize a conspiracy is fucking insane), and his stance on social issues.  Maybe it's naive to take him at his word on that, but I'm not going to chance voting for someone so backwards on those issues.  I'd have to brush up on her a bit more, but I'm more familiar with the republicans since they've gotten a bit more press because of a more competitve race, earlier debates, and so on.

I'm actually pulling for Sanders right now, so I could do a bit of a better job on explaining policies I support.  Firstly, his opposition to citizens united, and the plan to introduce a constitutional ammendment.... which of course would be a tough sell in politics, but he may very well be appointing justices to the supreme court, so it's not unfeasible to overturn that.  I support the DISCLOSE act, his stance on energy (securing money for clean energy in the stimulus package), the too big to fail act, breaking up big banks,  reversing trade agreements (yeah I know Trump does too), expanding stem cell research, and so on.  

It is simply not 100% CEO.  To avoid getting into it, I'll just use a simple example, the military.....

So you're saying that you need to make wise decisions based on the best known information at any given time in a myriad of fields?  Which is essentially what a CEO does.  The CEO of Google might not be the most knowledgable programmer in the company for example,  but he needs to be smart enough to assemble the proper resources to make the best possible decision.

You're saying that all of these aspects are different,  then I have to ask....What candidate would ever be qualified to hold the position?  Definitely not Hilary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or any of the other GOP leadership.

On  issuesthe, those are really broad statements.  A lot of people agree with securing borders, but you need a plan to do that.  His idea of forcing Mexico to build a fence is silly.

I don't think it's silly.  If there are parts of the border that are easily penetrable (Over 300,000 illegal immigrants cross the border annually from what I last read), then it's absolutely viable.  We can't have a viable country with loose borders and it's not financially feasible long-term. Most illegal immigrants are coming from the weak Southern border.  As for common core? (My Fiance is a teacher as well)  It's largely a failure and he would be right to fix it and discuss with Education leaders the best approach. As with anything, there is a multitude of ideas as to what that approach needs to be.

On the subject of flip flopping...

Not saying Trump is better in this regard, simply no different.

 

I'm not a big fan of Hilary.  I'm aware of her general positions.....

The point was, she's been probably even more vague regarding her positions than any other candidate.  


I'm actually pulling for Sanders right now

Sanders is essentially a straight-forward socialist. I run a small business (22 employees) and there is no way in hell I'd be able to stay afloat with the 15$ minimum wage he's presented.  It shows a complete and utter lack of knowledge of the most important attribute to America and while he  thinks he's going to 'stick it to the man!!'  it doesn't hurt them nearly like it would hurt small business.  I don't mind Sanders, but he's shown that he's not a leader and not someone who is going to win negotiations with some of the more sly rulers around the world.  

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Jimbo1337 said:
Puppyroach said:

Living in a country that is the very essence of Bernie's vision I can tell you it is the best way to build a safe, free and economically stable society.

Tell that to Greece

By the way, Alex Tsipras has just resigned today.  

There is virtually no similarities in how Greece has been handled compared to how Sweden is run so I really don´t see your point? The distance between the countries is 1500 miles, where one is at the mediterranean and the other far up at the northern hemisphere. We view taxation, education, corporations completely different and are closer in society to the US than Greece if anything.

What is the bad thing about using taxes to fund the whole infrastructure, military, education, justice system, health? You already to it to a high degree in the US but you are doing it in a way that drains tax resources in a way that would never happen in, for example, Sweden. I am positive that if Bernie would become president than the rich 1% would see massive tax gains while the low income earnes would see a tax decrease. That is the only way to get a country back on its feet.



sabvre42 said:

By rewarding those that didn't advance themselves,  by taking my and the rest of the middle class's money? I totally support my tens of thousands of dollars in student loans giving me the same salary as someone that skipped advance education.

Do you even have a clue what Sanders is standing for. He wants to make the people pay that can pay for it.  Take preassure of the middle class. Student loans are one of those things that need to go.

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