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vkaraujo said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

He screwed up, he knows Nintendo is anal as hell. They are the worst of the big three at relations and collaboration. They are stuck in the past. He chose to work for them and signed a contract, so he should've known better.

Didn´t SONY fired thousands every year in the last 4 years? Didn´t Microsoft fired 7k weeks ago? It happens.

Didn´t Nintendo stood in 7th place among the "most desirable game companys to work for" survey from IGDA in 2014?
Right in front of Naughty Dog, Doublefine and Bethesda?

There was a list of wrong doings during the podcast. He was introduced as a Nintendo employee from the go, so not only he used his credentials to take part on a podcast, but to any unobservant listener, he was totally talking in name of the company. From there, he gave personal opinions about third party games, confidential financial information, called Sakurai a freak and even took a punch at fans that ask for localization.

He literally did everything common sense would advise against. It is actually hard to point what caused his dismissal.
Was because he talked about confidential information?
- Because he bad talked about his boss?
- Because he bad talked about the fans?
- Because he presented himself as a Nintendo employee in a public situation without authorization? 

Finally, not only what he did was a obviously stupid decision, but we also don´t know how he was saw (by his manager) before that. Maybe that was just the last drop. I actually find unbelievable that people are giving so much attention to this. The guy is young, healthy, graduated. He will be fine, life goes on.


Just because people want to work for a company doesn't mean they wont have to deal with a lot of shit. I would love to work with Nintendo, but guess what? I would still have to walk in knowing I would have to deal with stringent rules. Same thing with Konami (if not worse). Sony's issue was of the financial variety. Nintendo has been known for the longest for being the most inaccessible, but again...if the guy screwed up he deserves to be fired as I said before.



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Wouldn´t surprise me if he was responsible for the Smash Bros leaks as well as he seems to be a very outspoken person and who knows what else he leaked considering how much he was willing to talk in a public podcast. Anyway Cliff should mind his own business, and the tired excuse that he has always been a Nintendo fan but still constantly attacking the company is just pathetic.



globalisateur said:

The problem is not that Nintendo were in their right to fire the guy. They most probably were in their right to fire the guy as told by their internal NDAs.

The problem is that it shows how retarded and outdated Nintendo laws / policies are with their employees (and gamers with no unified account etc.)

In the era of social medias you've got to accept some leniency and flexibility or else those negative posts / articles will continue to appear as they do regularly.

How are the policies retarded and outdated? Any company would do it, regardless if it was through social media or not.



Such rules are necessary for many companies. Probably graduality in punishment, depending on seriousness of infringement and if there were previous serious infringements, could be advisable, but in this particular case, while some things he revealed were harmless and were just interesting, others could damage Ninty or be twisted and used to do it. Best wishes to him, surely he just let his mouth speak too much, but he didn't mean to harm it, well, next time he'll think before speaking. Probably he'll easily find a new job, possibly from companies that would like to know more about Ninty work methods.



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Farsala said:
noname2200 said:
Farsala said:
This is the same case as Kevin Butler, both breached contract and lost their jobs.

I thought his contract just expired?

I guess he vvas a free agent, but Sony did sue him and not use him again.

Oh you, I remember that suit. As I recall, it was settled pretty swiftly. I remember being surprised it was made in the first place: barring a "no-compete" clause in there somewhere I have a hard time seeing Sony having a case, but then again odds are good there was probably something like that in there which arguably applied.

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Samus Aran said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

He screwed up, he knows Nintendo is anal as hell. They are the worst of the big three at relations and collaboration. They are stuck in the past. He chose to work for them and signed a contract, so he should've known better.

This happens at any big company...



I'll say it again this time with spaces. Nin-ten-do.....is....the...themost...strin.gent....of...the...big..three.

Off the top of my head, Adam Orth. Josh Robinson. But, relevantly?, Nintendo's the most stringent of the big three.

globalisateur said:


The problem is that it shows how retarded and outdated Nintendo laws / policies are with their employees (and gamers with no unified account etc.)

In the era of social medias you've got to accept some leniency and flexibility or else those negative posts / articles will continue to appear as they do regularly.

I would argue, with ample supporting evidence, that it's the opposite.



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mountaindewslave said:
Nem said:

Can companies even make that kind of contract? Did he reveal any sort of secrets or something? Something is wrong if companies have the power to veto freedom of speech. Has got to be inconstituonal. 

Leaking company secrets is one thing, but simply talking in public is a right of every citizen.

There must be something i am not seeing here. I'm shocked at the number of people who think this is ok an Nintendo is in the right. They just can't be, unless he leaked something. If he did, do tell me what it was.


you're wrong, he could speak privately about Nintendo, surely, but to go on a public podcast and announce private things about his company was not okay considering Nintendo deliberately has expressed they don't want that

some of the stuff he mentioned was kind of inappropriate in my opinion, he went on about the process of some of his job and testing some games at one point. he also made some comments that made Sakurai not look particularly good, something about how Sakurai got quite frustrated that he and some others did not get very good test footage of some Smash Bros. or something or other, and bear in mind Sakurai is a huge executive there

and then to comment about the localization of Nintendo's Japanese games and to essentially mock the fans who constantly are asked for things to be translated and brought to America- it was inappropriate, it wasn't his place

I think the guy was polite for the most part but it's just common sense, you don't share private company information about the runnings of how things are done or decisions if the company specifically has a non-disclosure agreement

and bear in mind guys- any company with this sort of agreement goes through this in orientation, there is no thin line about this sort of thing. most companies these days if you simply wear a work t-shirt to certain events or have a picture of yourself in a work shirt online next to an inappropriate may fire you

nothing new


Its fair enough if thats how it works (in the US). But in principle its just wrong. It means a company can be a country inside its own country by setting a group of arbitrary rules that allow them to lay off workers. That is extremely abusive, but i had heard that work laws were pretty brutal in the US before.

We do see it constantly on the games industry when teams are fired after they finished their project and then they rehire new staff when they decide on the next thing to do.



Nem said:


Its fair enough if thats how it works (in the US). But in principle its just wrong. It means a company can be a country inside its own country by setting a group of arbitrary rules that allow them to lay off workers. That is extremely abusive, but i had heard that work laws were pretty brutal in the US before.

We do see it constantly on the games industry when teams are fired after they finished their project and then they rehire new staff when they decide on the next thing to do.


Works like that in the UK as well, most companies warn you against speaking to the media or in a similar manner, in fact in the UK it's just a straight up sackable offence when you breach contract in anyway, in most countries it's the same. You have rights yes but those rights aren't fully with out limitations like for example in the UK you can't incite racial hatred or an easy one for people to understand in the west if you say things about someone in a public manner they can take legal action against you because your words can have an affect on them and their lives, this is no different to having an NDA in a contract only a company give you a warning first and make it clear how serious a matter it can be when hired.

The NDAs are part of their terms to be an employee for any of these companies, it's like someone telling you have to take off your shoes before you come in their house and not smoke inside either you don't have to do it but then they don't have to let you in if you refuse their terms.



I kinda feel bad but he break the rules



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Nem said:
mountaindewslave said:


you're wrong, he could speak privately about Nintendo, surely, but to go on a public podcast and announce private things about his company was not okay considering Nintendo deliberately has expressed they don't want that

some of the stuff he mentioned was kind of inappropriate in my opinion, he went on about the process of some of his job and testing some games at one point. he also made some comments that made Sakurai not look particularly good, something about how Sakurai got quite frustrated that he and some others did not get very good test footage of some Smash Bros. or something or other, and bear in mind Sakurai is a huge executive there

and then to comment about the localization of Nintendo's Japanese games and to essentially mock the fans who constantly are asked for things to be translated and brought to America- it was inappropriate, it wasn't his place

I think the guy was polite for the most part but it's just common sense, you don't share private company information about the runnings of how things are done or decisions if the company specifically has a non-disclosure agreement

and bear in mind guys- any company with this sort of agreement goes through this in orientation, there is no thin line about this sort of thing. most companies these days if you simply wear a work t-shirt to certain events or have a picture of yourself in a work shirt online next to an inappropriate may fire you

nothing new


Its fair enough if thats how it works (in the US). But in principle its just wrong. It means a company can be a country inside its own country by setting a group of arbitrary rules that allow them to lay off workers. That is extremely abusive, but i had heard that work laws were pretty brutal in the US before.

We do see it constantly on the games industry when teams are fired after they finished their project and then they rehire new staff when they decide on the next thing to do.

The emboldened is an absurd and nonsensical interpretation, because all companies obviously have to abide by the laws of the countries in which they operate.

This isn't wrong, it's just you are looking at the principle in the wrong context. Yes, yes, we all know about freedom of speech, yada yada yada, but just stop for a moment and Google the term "Doing a Ratner".

Read some of the results and you'll soon understand how damaging a single throw-away remark can be for a company, and why most businesses have these rules in one form or another, including in your country. It's bad enough when an executive screws up in public, but to give thousands of employees free reign to do the same would be a disastrous move for any business.

Pranger badmouthed his employer and its fans, then discussed the reasons for some of Nintendo's decisions that Nintendo obviously didn't want publicised in that way. He went against the rules of his employment and was fired as a consequence.



Bleszinski and Nintendo fan? so why doesnt support unreal engine 4 the wiiu? This guy shouldnt say anything when it comes to nintendo