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Intel and Micron unveiled a novel new kind of non-volatile data storage device during a press conference on Tuesday. The chips, dubbed "3D XPoint" (pronounced "cross-point"), are being touted as the first new class of "mainstream memory" to hit the market since 1989. These new chips could soon speed up everything from cell phones and SSD laptops to genomic sequencers and supercomputers.

The new chip forgoes traditional transistors that make up the core of modern flash memory. Instead, the material that makes up each Xpoint memory cell changes its physical properties to either have a high or low electrical resistance, which represents 1's and 0's respectively. What's more, the multiple layers of these cells are stacked in a 3D crosshatch pattern that allows each cell to be addressed and rewritten individually. SeeNAND works by shifting single electrons to either side of a "floating gate" to change from a 1 to a 0 and back again. The problem is that this process prevents users from changing the state just one memory cell -- you have to wipe rewrite an entire block of cells simultaneously. But by addressing each cell individually, Intel reports that the new chip can perform 1000 times faster than conventional NAND and last hundreds of times longer before breaking down. The crosshatch design (below) also allows Intel to stack the layers 10 times more densely than regular NAND.

"One of the most significant hurdles in modern computing is the time it takes the processor to reach data on long-term storage," Mark Adams, president of Micron, said in a statement. "This new class of non-volatile memory is a revolutionary technology that allows for quick access to enormous data sets and enables entirely new applications."

Intel sees the chips initially helping speed up big data applications like fraud detection,real-time data analysis and disease tracking. The Xpoints are reportedly already in production, though there's no timetable for when they'll reach your next laptop.

Source:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/28/intel-3d-memory-1000-times-faster/?ncid=rss_truncated

My own comment:

This is the first real breakthrough in electronics since the transistor in 1989, and it is INSANE. This is basically storage that is as fast as RAM. Will revolutionize the electronics space for sure.



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I disagree ...

Bridging the gap between NAND and DRAM was no new idea. Everspin Technologies was the first to do it with their MRAM. 

The transistor has created ENTIRE industries revolving around it's technology while this "3D XPoint" storage is going to be limited to a specialized market segment like big data since it is going to require tons of DIMM slots to get a reasonable storage size ... 



Oo, exciting!

If no reference to consumer applications its probably a huge way off though



So... $20 per GB is my guess for this? ;)



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fatslob-:O said:

I disagree ...

Bridging the gap between NAND and DRAM was no new idea. Everspin Technologies was the first to do it with their MRAM. 

The transistor has created ENTIRE industries revolving around it's technology while this "3D XPoint" storage is going to be limited to a specialized market segment like big data since it is going to require tons of DIMM slots to get a reasonable storage size ... 


I didn't say this was as big as the transistor, just that it was the first real breakthroug since the transistor

 

MRAM is more a counterpart to RAM, while this is more akin to NAND flash. It's application currently is for data centers and analytical applications, as a RAM/NAND hybrid, but it's application in consumer electronics is, I think, more like NAND, as storage, just much much faster.



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Teeqoz said:

I didn't say this was as big as the transistor, just that it was the first real breakthroug since the transistor

 

MRAM is more a counterpart to RAM, while this is more akin to NAND flash. It's application currently is for data centers and analytical applications, as a RAM/NAND hybrid, but it's application in consumer electronics is, I think, more like NAND, as storage, just much much faster.

I don't think MRAM is an alternative to DRAM when it shares the "non-volatile" property with NAND chips ...

Everspin Technologies was very much touting it as a DRAM/NAND hybrid much like how Intel and Micron is with their 3D XPoint and I don't think this is going to be in consumer electronics for either since you need a big motherboard like the ones they use in severs to get a meaningful storage size since it's data/cell density is a lot lower than NAND ...

The first "real breakthrough" is pretty arbitrary as I could argue that EUV lithography is the bigger step since it allows us to continue exploring Moore's Law AND give transistor cost reduction ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Teeqoz said:

I didn't say this was as big as the transistor, just that it was the first real breakthroug since the transistor

 

MRAM is more a counterpart to RAM, while this is more akin to NAND flash. It's application currently is for data centers and analytical applications, as a RAM/NAND hybrid, but it's application in consumer electronics is, I think, more like NAND, as storage, just much much faster.

I don't think MRAM is an alternative to DRAM when it shares the "non-volatile" property with NAND chips ...

Everspin Technologies was very much touting it as a DRAM/NAND hybrid much like how Intel and Micron is with their 3D XPoint and I don't think this is going to be in consumer electronics for either since you need a big motherboard like the ones they use in severs to get a meaningful storage size since it's data/cell density is a lot lower than NAND 

The first "real breakthrough" is pretty arbitrary as I could argue that EUV lithography is the bigger step since it allows us to continue exploring Moore's Law AND give transistor cost reduction ... 


Um, I'm pretty sure they said this had 10x the storage density of raditional NAND.

EDIT: and Moore's Law only has a few years left, because we are soon at the point where the "gate" in transistors are the size of an atom, and once we reach that point, there is literally nothing we can do about it. Traditional transistors are reaching their full potential very soon.



fatslob-:O said:
Teeqoz said:

I didn't say this was as big as the transistor, just that it was the first real breakthroug since the transistor

 

MRAM is more a counterpart to RAM, while this is more akin to NAND flash. It's application currently is for data centers and analytical applications, as a RAM/NAND hybrid, but it's application in consumer electronics is, I think, more like NAND, as storage, just much much faster.

I don't think MRAM is an alternative to DRAM when it shares the "non-volatile" property with NAND chips ...

Everspin Technologies was very much touting it as a DRAM/NAND hybrid much like how Intel and Micron is with their 3D XPoint and I don't think this is going to be in consumer electronics for either since you need a big motherboard like the ones they use in severs to get a meaningful storage size since it's data/cell density is a lot lower than NAND ...

The first "real breakthrough" is pretty arbitrary as I could argue that EUV lithography is the bigger step since it allows us to continue exploring Moore's Law AND give transistor cost reduction ..

What has hurt Everspin is not having access to the latest lithography tech, they only recently moved to 90nm for their latest 64Mb chips, meanwhile all the NAND manufacturers are sub 20nm now,  massive difference. 



Two important questions: Is it as cheap as modern storage? What does it mean for video games?

Because if it isn't as cheap as modern storage, then it means nothing for video games, which means it's not worth discussing.



But how much will it cost?