it doesn't look that bad, it's just not worth full price.

That was my point. They make cheap games. I didn't said they were bad games on my original post, just that they were indie quality. And as an example I mentioned Trine 2 is better than NSMBU, not that NSMBU sucked. I did said, in my last response to you, that they are capable of making bad games. All facts, im not judging Nintendo, but simply pointing certain things out.

Devil's third really shouldn't be what it is.

It needs to be a well and easy playing technical showpiece shooter with an interesting theme.

Now it's a (from previews) clunkily playing bad looking shooter with a boring theme and the most ugly main character I've ever seen.

Nintendo should have brough the rights to Turok and brought that back instead of this. Awesome environment, fun creative weapons and interesting multiplayer. The'd only have to modernize and follow what the N64 games did well and add online and there would I have my flagship shooter for the generation.

WTF!?

I think nobody cant say that about any Nintendo Wii U game, especially about big games like Mario 3D World, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Yoshi Woolly World, Xenoblade X, Zelda...Nintendo games are still among most quality games in industry, in fact almost all Nintendo Wii U games very quality games.

Yes, Trine 2 looks better, sounds better and its more unique, but NSMBU works better, plays better and its much more fun game. Also, NSMBU is game was 1st Wii U game and basically HD port of Wii version with just little different design of levels, so not exactly best example.

Well for example Bayonetta 2 looks much better and dont have cartoony graphics.

Well look who isn't buying this game. Not very impressed.

Really? Yoshi Woolly World? Do you honestly believe it or even nsmbu are that much better than Guacamelee, Shantae, Trine 2 or Shovel Knight? Do you feel the same way about Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, Wii Sports Club, Sing Party? Heck, what about Kirby and the Canvas Curse? Is that the Kirby game you wanted? Is Game and Wario the Wario game you wanted? Is Pokemon Rumble U the WiiU Pokemon game you wanted? Is Animal Crossing Amiibo Party the Animal Crossing game you want? Because Nintendo obiously ain't gonna stop with their subpar releases, which are becoming the mayority. I think most Nintendo games are indie quality or at least closer to Indie quality than AAA quality in terms of production values. The examples you mentioned are in the minority. After the Gamecube, seems like cheapass has been Nintendo's mantra. 

Trolling could lead to ban on this forums. Also yes, I can say that NSMBU is miles better game then Guacamelee and Trine 2 (I didn't played Yoshi/Shantae/Shovel NIght yet.).

Yes, Yoshi Woolly World, I actually have game, great and big 2D platformer lot of content. I am guessing you don't have it and you didn't played it!? And yes, Yoshi Woolly World is AAA in comparison with all that games that you mentioned.

Wii Party U, Wii Fit U, Wii Sports Club, Sing Party are party games so obvious that are smaller but they certanly not Indie. You can se I left out form my list games like Kirby and the Canvas Curse and Game, Wario the Wario game, Animal Crossing Amiibo Party and Pokemon Rumble U, beacuse they are smaller games, but again they are not Indie games.

It not just Nintendo have smaller games, other company also have them too.

We have games for Wii U like Nintendo Land, Mario 3D World, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Yoshi Woolly World, Xenoblade X, Hurley Warriors, Super Smash Smash Bros, Splaoon, Zelda U...and you saying "I think most Nintendo games are indie quality or at least closer to Indie quality than AAA quality in terms of production values"!?

Sorry but you sound like you don't know what are you talking about.

I think most Nintendo games are indie quality. It's my opinion. If you think differently, then great for you.