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Untamoi said:
Captain_Yuri said:

But I don't want Zelda U on the NX... I invested on purchasing a wiiU for exclusive games like Zelda and the wiiU has gotten fuck all in terms of a dedicated Zelda game from Nintendo and not having an exclusive/dedicated Zelda game for the wiiU would devalue my investment on the console... And if that happens, I sure won't be buying the NX at launch (unless its a handheld obviously) cause it would make me lose faith in Nintendo to deliver me games because their ability to deliver me games would be based on the platform's success or failure


You forget that consoles are all about business and Wii U has failed completely. Zelda is quite big franchise (Nintendo has several bigger franchises though) but not enough to make Wii U a success. Remember, Mario Kart is several times bigger franchise and even that wasn't enough. The only way Nintendo could remain on consoles is to make new console soon and abandon Wii U. If they don't release NX soon, they would have to leave consoles completely. If there are no game or console sales, it is insane to continue making losses. It doesn't matter at all whether you like it or not.

Sure, they probably will release Zelda U on Wii U but it will probably ported to NX.

I didn't forget anything cause I don't care about the whole business aspect cause them doing bad with the wiiU hardware sales doesn't affect me as a customer... I don't have investments in Nintendo's stock so why should I care whether or not the wiiU is failing in sales? What I do care about is the promises they made and the games that I will get that can only be played on the wiiU cause that is why I bought it in the first place. If they can't keep those promises, then I have no confidence in them going forward..

So, if they want me to remain a loyal customer, they have to deliver everything they promised including the fact that they said "Zelda Only on WiiU." Now they can go ahead and port it to the NX at a later time, perhaps a year or two later, then thats fine but if it comes out on both at the sametime, that means that Nintendo didn't deliver on everything they promised hence why they will lose me as a loyal customer. Not to say I won't buy the NX if its a console but it sure wont be at launch and I will be a lot more tempted to go the hacking route than the supporting route

Oh and the whole "they will leave consoles completely if they don't launch the NX soon" is pretty nonsense at best considering how the company is making profit and they are taking various actions such as making deals with theme parks, mobile and getting more amiibos and etc to make even more profit going forward... And not to mention how much they already have in the bank



                  

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Aerys said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Then following your "logic", Uncharted, The Last of Us and even GoW 3 are not really ps3 games because they have or will have versions on Ps4 too, right? So Ps3 had no uncharted, the last of us or GoW  exclusives, what a waste of console doesn´t it? 

At least they have been a long time exclusive to PS3 , if we follow Nintendo logic Zelda will be released at thé same time on both console( and even without these games PS3 had a very big library of games, at thé opposite of WiiU that cant allow to lose such big exclusives )Stiller

From a consumer perspective it doesn´t matter, I will have Zelda on my WiiU next year, I don´t need a NX to play it. 

And you don´t know if it´s gonna be released at the same time or months later, so you are just talking about speculations.

And honestly, without the 3 uncharted games, gow 3 and the last of us, Ps3 is mostly irrelevant as almost all its other great games are everywhere else, no game defines it, following your logic.



Aerys said:


But GC and Wii had.

We Know NX comes soon so its very unlikely they announce an other big exclusive for WiiU while a game tales at least 2 years of dev

We dont have a good Mario party while every Nintendo console since 64 had one

We dont Know if thé Zelda will be exclusive, its very likely WiiU wont have an exclusive Zelda like TP for GameCube

One jrpg is not enough, much less than GameCube or Wii

Mario 3D world is not part of 3D Mario with exploration and adventure and stars/sun to get, its something else, most fans were expecting a Mario 3D aventure like that and thought Mario 3D world was only thé one waiting for thé ambitious 3D Mario adventure 

No réal Animal Crossing game or réal Emblem too

You must have bad mémories of Wii, third party Alone makes it much better than WiiU, and it had much more and better Nintendo games 

WiiU looks more like the worst Nintendo console since before n64


Splatoon was announced in May 2014 and came out before May 2015.

"Good" Mario Party is just a way to say "This game that disproves my point doesnt count because I dislike it."

"Exclusive Zelda Like Twilight Princess" Uh........

3D World is definitely a 3D Mario. I mean, the word 3D is in it. A different focus than usual doesnt really ruin it's validity.

Better is subjective.

 

I dont even care about which is better, but this post is odd.



theARTIST0017 said:
UncleScrooge said:

You think you are representative of an average Nintendo customer. You are not. Customers have spoken: They want Wii and DS like consoles and reject systems like Gamecube and Wii U.

If Nintendo focuses on third party support and a powerful console you can already say your goodbye to them.


I'd have to say I'm average. No I don't believe you want Nintendo to go back to the Wii era, the era where it was shovelware for a few months, then one good title, then more shovelware. Because the last time I checked the 3DS is focused on hardcore and has solid 3rd party support and is sitting at around 50 mil.

Why do people remember the Wii as being full of shovelware? Sure, third parties made stupid games but Nintendo's first party offerings were excellent and I liked the Wii line up way better than the Wii U lineup. Same goes for 3DS vs DS. I'd take the next Wii Sports over the next Bayonetta or Xenoblade any day. 



UncleScrooge said:

Why do people remember the Wii as being full of shovelware? Sure, third parties made stupid games but Nintendo's first party offerings were excellent and I liked the Wii line up way better than the Wii U lineup. Same goes for 3DS vs DS. I'd take the next Wii Sports over the next Bayonetta or Xenoblade any day.

Thankfully the Wii had both Wii Sports and Xenoblade, so we don't have to make that choice.



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Smear-Gel said:
Aerys said:


But GC and Wii had.

We Know NX comes soon so its very unlikely they announce an other big exclusive for WiiU while a game tales at least 2 years of dev

We dont have a good Mario party while every Nintendo console since 64 had one

We dont Know if thé Zelda will be exclusive, its very likely WiiU wont have an exclusive Zelda like TP for GameCube

One jrpg is not enough, much less than GameCube or Wii

Mario 3D world is not part of 3D Mario with exploration and adventure and stars/sun to get, its something else, most fans were expecting a Mario 3D aventure like that and thought Mario 3D world was only thé one waiting for thé ambitious 3D Mario adventure 

No réal Animal Crossing game or réal Emblem too

You must have bad mémories of Wii, third party Alone makes it much better than WiiU, and it had much more and better Nintendo games 

WiiU looks more like the worst Nintendo console since before n64


Splatoon was announced in May 2014 and came out before May 2015.

"Good" Mario Party is just a way to say "This game that disproves my point doesnt count because I dislike it."

"Exclusive Zelda Like Twilight Princess" Uh........

3D World is definitely a 3D Mario. I mean, the word 3D is in it. A different focus than usual doesnt really ruin it's validity.

Better is subjective.

 

I dont even care about which is better, but this post is odd.


Splatoon is not a big game and has very fzw content, not a good example 

 

Good Mario Party is a way to say there is no décent Mario party, only a bad one  considered as bad by most reviewers, saying this thing is what Mario party fan want is not really honest 



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

Aerys said:
Smear-Gel said:


Splatoon was announced in May 2014 and came out before May 2015.

"Good" Mario Party is just a way to say "This game that disproves my point doesnt count because I dislike it."

"Exclusive Zelda Like Twilight Princess" Uh........

3D World is definitely a 3D Mario. I mean, the word 3D is in it. A different focus than usual doesnt really ruin it's validity.

Better is subjective.

 

I dont even care about which is better, but this post is odd.


Splatoon is not a big game and has very fzw content, not a good example 

 

Good Mario Party is a way to say there is no décent Mario party, only a bad one  considered as bad by most reviewers, saying this thing is what Mario party fan want is not really honest 

If Splatoon is not a big game and has little content, than Smash Bros on N64 was an indie game.



Smear-Gel said:
Aerys said:


But GC and Wii had.

We Know NX comes soon so its very unlikely they announce an other big exclusive for WiiU while a game tales at least 2 years of dev

We dont have a good Mario party while every Nintendo console since 64 had one

We dont Know if thé Zelda will be exclusive, its very likely WiiU wont have an exclusive Zelda like TP for GameCube

One jrpg is not enough, much less than GameCube or Wii

Mario 3D world is not part of 3D Mario with exploration and adventure and stars/sun to get, its something else, most fans were expecting a Mario 3D aventure like that and thought Mario 3D world was only thé one waiting for thé ambitious 3D Mario adventure 

No réal Animal Crossing game or réal Emblem too

You must have bad mémories of Wii, third party Alone makes it much better than WiiU, and it had much more and better Nintendo games 

WiiU looks more like the worst Nintendo console since before n64


Splatoon was announced in May 2014 and came out before May 2015.

"Good" Mario Party is just a way to say "This game that disproves my point doesnt count because I dislike it."

"Exclusive Zelda Like Twilight Princess" Uh........

3D World is definitely a 3D Mario. I mean, the word 3D is in it. A different focus than usual doesnt really ruin it's validity.

Better is subjective.

 

I dont even care about which is better, but this post is odd.

Splatoon isn't exactly a critical success, like blood borne. Commercial success yes, but not critical (in reviews).

by "good" mario party, I think he means traditional (without the group car bs). If I'm not mistaken, mario party has had a drop in quality and review scores after adding that mechanic.

gamecube had wind waker, wii had skyward sword. Twilight princess may be a bad example but the statement holds.

no, 3d world is not a true 3d mario game. 3d world focuses solely on platforming whereas Galaxy and sunshine and 64 have waaay more puzzle solving and exploration.

better is subjective, but the Wii u falls short of the standards set before it, so it's actually a common and valid comment to say that the Wii u has worse games.

im glad you like the console, but this guy has fair points as to why people are upset with the console



theARTIST0017 said:
Smear-Gel said:
You say they are the same Nintendo you know and love other than sales and third party support, then say that the Wii U is something to "settle" for as opposed to the Wii, despite having the same quality of games. Confused post.

I will also take this chance to say I think the NX is a handheld, like I say on every NX post


Something to settle for as apposed to the PS4/One. Sorry I should have made that clear. I think the Wii U has a better game library than the Wii. In fact now that I think about it I kind of wish the Wii would have failed terribly, just so Nintendo would not have been so egotistical about changing up everything.


Success breeds this sort of thing. Look at the first year of the PS3.

 

I dunno, I dont think any  of the consoles are far better than the other right now and that someone may conceivably like the Wii U more than the others, even though I dont really like any console much more than the other anymore.



Aerys said:
Smear-Gel said:


Splatoon was announced in May 2014 and came out before May 2015.

"Good" Mario Party is just a way to say "This game that disproves my point doesnt count because I dislike it."

"Exclusive Zelda Like Twilight Princess" Uh........

3D World is definitely a 3D Mario. I mean, the word 3D is in it. A different focus than usual doesnt really ruin it's validity.

Better is subjective.

 

I dont even care about which is better, but this post is odd.


Splatoon is not a big game and has very fzw content, not a good example 

 

Good Mario Party is a way to say there is no décent Mario party, only a bad one  considered as bad by most reviewers, saying this thing is what Mario party fan want is not really honest 


It sold a million copies in a month and got new content near daily for a month as well. But it's not big because......reasons, I guess?

 

In that case then every Mario Party after 4 or 5 cant be counted, not just the Wii U's.