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Aerys on 19 July 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Aerys said:
Miyamotoo said:
Aerys said:
vivster said:

...said no Metroid/paper Mario/ Mario party/ Zelda/jrpgs/Mario 64-sunshine-galaxy/ Fire Emblem/ Animal Crossing fan ever.


When you say it like that it seems to be thé worst Nintendo console since ...forever ?

N64 also didnt have Metroid, we still dont know for Paper Mario, we have Mario Party, we geting Zelda, Xenoblade is jrpgs, we have Mario 3D World, we are geting Fire Emblem crossover, big Animal Crossing probably no. At end of the day we can maybe certainly only say that Wii U will not have Metroid and big Animal Crossing game.

Wii U is great console for Nintendo fans, I think much better than Wii.


But GC and Wii had.

We Know NX comes soon so its very unlikely they announce an other big exclusive for WiiU while a game tales at least 2 years of dev

We dont have a good Mario party while every Nintendo console since 64 had one

We dont Know if thé Zelda will be exclusive, its very likely WiiU wont have an exclusive Zelda like TP for GameCube

One jrpg is not enough, much less than GameCube or Wii

Mario 3D world is not part of 3D Mario with exploration and adventure and stars/sun to get, its something else, most fans were expecting a Mario 3D aventure like that and thought Mario 3D world was only thé one waiting for thé ambitious 3D Mario adventure 

No réal Animal Crossing game or réal Emblem too

 

You must have bad mémories of Wii, third party Alone makes it much better than WiiU, and it had much more and better Nintendo games 

WiiU looks more like the worst Nintendo console since before n64

-Your point was that Wii U sound like worst console because dont have Metroid (and few other games), my point is that N64 for example too didn't have Metroid.

-We cant certainly know if Wii U will other get bigs game, doesn't needs to be exclusive, maybe later will be ported on NX or NX port.

-Maybe its not good, but we have one, you wrote we dont Mario Party game same like Metroid. Personally one Mario Party game is more than enuf per generation.

-Who cares if Zelda U maybe wont be exlusive, its much more important that Wii U will have new Zelda game and not just HD port.

-One jrpg is better than none.

-Mario Sunsine and Mario Galaxy are completly difrent games so is Mario 3D World (you have stars to get in game). Mario 3D World is legit 3D Mario game and its very good, in fact one of the best games this generation. 

-No real Animal Crossin but we will have crossover of Fire Emblem.

Like i wrote, at end of the day in this moment we can maybe only say that Wii U will not have Metroid and big Animal Crossing game.

 

I have memories with Wii and I was little disappointment, with Wii U I'm much more satisfied, what Wii U offer in comparison with other Nintendo consoles:  Best NSMB game, best Pikmin game, best DK game (if we dont count SNES), best Mario Kart game, best Super Smash Bros, best Yoshi game after SNES/DS version, Zelda U looks like it will one of the best Zelda games ever (at lest better than TP and SS) add to that one of the best new Nintendo exlusive in recent years, Splatoon.

So I really can't see how Wii U can be worst Nintendo console, personally much better than Wii, like I wrote Wii U is great console for fans of Nintendo games.

 

No m'y point was that WiiU is thé worst Nintendo console because it doesnt have all these games , not only metroid, but all these big IP together missing WiiU, and WiiU meant to reconciliate third party with Nintendo was in fact much less supported than gamecube and Wii

 

I really cant see how you can think Wii was worse when it had much more Nintendo games and even games in general, and if WiiU really dont get a dedicated exclusive Zelda, it would confirm m'y point as a fact, most care to Know if it is exclusive, if it is on NX , WiiU will become useless for a lot of Zelda fans 

 

I saw much more fans disappointed with WiiU than Wii obviously , and its normal because WiiU gamers are also gamers , because its a fact WiiU has much less good games than Wii, you can be subjective, maybe you liked,  but if you analyse thing objectively you will see thé number of good exclusives is very very small compared to Wii so you will understand that a lot are disappointed



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

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Ultrashroomz on 19 July 2015

Well, Zelda is one of the IPs that makes me want to own a Nintendo console.

If they release it to NX, it'd hurt the Wii U so much as a console.

I like my Wii U, and I like titles like Smash and Splatoon, but I need my Zelda fix for a complete Nintendo experience.



"Just for comparison Uncharted 4 was 20x bigger than Splatoon 2. This shows the huge difference between Sony's first-party games and Nintendo's first-party games."

Miyamotoo on 19 July 2015
Aerys said:
Miyamotoo said:
Aerys said:
Miyamotoo said:
Aerys said:
vivster said:

...said no Metroid/paper Mario/ Mario party/ Zelda/jrpgs/Mario 64-sunshine-galaxy/ Fire Emblem/ Animal Crossing fan ever.


When you say it like that it seems to be thé worst Nintendo console since ...forever ?

N64 also didnt have Metroid, we still dont know for Paper Mario, we have Mario Party, we geting Zelda, Xenoblade is jrpgs, we have Mario 3D World, we are geting Fire Emblem crossover, big Animal Crossing probably no. At end of the day we can maybe certainly only say that Wii U will not have Metroid and big Animal Crossing game.

Wii U is great console for Nintendo fans, I think much better than Wii.


But GC and Wii had.

We Know NX comes soon so its very unlikely they announce an other big exclusive for WiiU while a game tales at least 2 years of dev

We dont have a good Mario party while every Nintendo console since 64 had one

We dont Know if thé Zelda will be exclusive, its very likely WiiU wont have an exclusive Zelda like TP for GameCube

One jrpg is not enough, much less than GameCube or Wii

Mario 3D world is not part of 3D Mario with exploration and adventure and stars/sun to get, its something else, most fans were expecting a Mario 3D aventure like that and thought Mario 3D world was only thé one waiting for thé ambitious 3D Mario adventure 

No réal Animal Crossing game or réal Emblem too

 

You must have bad mémories of Wii, third party Alone makes it much better than WiiU, and it had much more and better Nintendo games 

WiiU looks more like the worst Nintendo console since before n64

-Your point was that Wii U sound like worst console because dont have Metroid (and few other games), my point is that N64 for example too didn't have Metroid.

-We cant certainly know if Wii U will other get bigs game, doesn't needs to be exclusive, maybe later will be ported on NX or NX port.

-Maybe its not good, but we have one, you wrote we dont Mario Party game same like Metroid. Personally one Mario Party game is more than enuf per generation.

-Who cares if Zelda U maybe wont be exlusive, its much more important that Wii U will have new Zelda game and not just HD port.

-One jrpg is better than none.

-Mario Sunsine and Mario Galaxy are completly difrent games so is Mario 3D World (you have stars to get in game). Mario 3D World is legit 3D Mario game and its very good, in fact one of the best games this generation. 

-No real Animal Crossin but we will have crossover of Fire Emblem.

Like i wrote, at end of the day in this moment we can maybe only say that Wii U will not have Metroid and big Animal Crossing game.

 

I have memories with Wii and I was little disappointment, with Wii U I'm much more satisfied, what Wii U offer in comparison with other Nintendo consoles:  Best NSMB game, best Pikmin game, best DK game (if we dont count SNES), best Mario Kart game, best Super Smash Bros, best Yoshi game after SNES/DS version, Zelda U looks like it will one of the best Zelda games ever (at lest better than TP and SS) add to that one of the best new Nintendo exlusive in recent years, Splatoon.

So I really can't see how Wii U can be worst Nintendo console, personally much better than Wii, like I wrote Wii U is great console for fans of Nintendo games.

 

No m'y point was that WiiU is thé worst Nintendo console because it doesnt have all these games , not only metroid, but all these big IP together missing WiiU, and WiiU meant to reconciliate third party with Nintendo was in fact much less supported than gamecube and Wii

 

I really cant see how you can think Wii was worse when it had much more Nintendo games and even games in general, and if WiiU really dont get a dedicated exclusive Zelda, it would confirm m'y point as a fact, most care to Know if it is exclusive, if it is on NX , WiiU will become useless for a lot of Zelda fans 

 

I saw much more fans disappointed with WiiU than Wii obviously , and its normal because WiiU gamers are also gamers 

But you point is wrong because you wrote that all that games are missing on Wii U and that's not true.

Wii had more games but you have very big number of average (or even bad games) on Wii, on Wii U you have smaller numbers of games but they are almost all very good and like I wrote some of the best games in whole franchises. If is Zelda U exclusive or not don't mean nothing, especially for Wii U owners.

I wasn't visiting forums in Wii era, but I rarely see that Nintendo fans are disappointed with Wii U, people that dont like Nintendo games sure but not Nintendo fans.



Miyamotoo on 19 July 2015
Goodnightmoon said:
Aerys said:


When you say it like that it seems to be thé worst Nintendo console since ...forever ?

So the worst Nintendo console forever has the best Mario Kart ever done, the most complete Smash Bros until now, the most ambitious JRPG on a Nintendo console since the snes, the most ambitious Zelda ever done coming next year, the best Donkey Kong since the snes, the best Yoshi since the snes too and a better 3D Mario than Super Mario Sunshine, wow not bad for the worst.

And btw Wii didn´t have a new Pikmin, WiiU had it, the same happens with Star Fox, GameCube didn´t have nothing close to Xenoblade Chronicles X and you know what Wii and GC didn´t have neither? The most popular online shooter on Japan history, Splatoon.

Completely agree, I hope NX will be even "worst console than Wii U". :)



Miyamotoo on 19 July 2015
Ultrashroomz said:
Well, Zelda is one of the IPs that makes me want to own a Nintendo console.

If they release it to NX, it'd hurt the Wii U so much as a console.

I like my Wii U, and I like titles like Smash and Splatoon, but I need my Zelda fix for a complete Nintendo experience.

Zelda U will certainly come on Wii U, but probably we will see port on NX too, TP situation all over again.



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Aerys on 19 July 2015
Miyamotoo said:
Aerys said:
Miyamotoo said:
Aerys said:
Miyamotoo said:
Aerys said:
vivster said:

...said no Metroid/paper Mario/ Mario party/ Zelda/jrpgs/Mario 64-sunshine-galaxy/ Fire Emblem/ Animal Crossing fan ever.


When you say it like that it seems to be thé worst Nintendo console since ...forever ?

N64 also didnt have Metroid, we still dont know for Paper Mario, we have Mario Party, we geting Zelda, Xenoblade is jrpgs, we have Mario 3D World, we are geting Fire Emblem crossover, big Animal Crossing probably no. At end of the day we can maybe certainly only say that Wii U will not have Metroid and big Animal Crossing game.

Wii U is great console for Nintendo fans, I think much better than Wii.


But GC and Wii had.

We Know NX comes soon so its very unlikely they announce an other big exclusive for WiiU while a game tales at least 2 years of dev

We dont have a good Mario party while every Nintendo console since 64 had one

We dont Know if thé Zelda will be exclusive, its very likely WiiU wont have an exclusive Zelda like TP for GameCube

One jrpg is not enough, much less than GameCube or Wii

Mario 3D world is not part of 3D Mario with exploration and adventure and stars/sun to get, its something else, most fans were expecting a Mario 3D aventure like that and thought Mario 3D world was only thé one waiting for thé ambitious 3D Mario adventure 

No réal Animal Crossing game or réal Emblem too

 

You must have bad mémories of Wii, third party Alone makes it much better than WiiU, and it had much more and better Nintendo games 

WiiU looks more like the worst Nintendo console since before n64

-Your point was that Wii U sound like worst console because dont have Metroid (and few other games), my point is that N64 for example too didn't have Metroid.

-We cant certainly know if Wii U will other get bigs game, doesn't needs to be exclusive, maybe later will be ported on NX or NX port.

-Maybe its not good, but we have one, you wrote we dont Mario Party game same like Metroid. Personally one Mario Party game is more than enuf per generation.

-Who cares if Zelda U maybe wont be exlusive, its much more important that Wii U will have new Zelda game and not just HD port.

-One jrpg is better than none.

-Mario Sunsine and Mario Galaxy are completly difrent games so is Mario 3D World (you have stars to get in game). Mario 3D World is legit 3D Mario game and its very good, in fact one of the best games this generation. 

-No real Animal Crossin but we will have crossover of Fire Emblem.

Like i wrote, at end of the day in this moment we can maybe only say that Wii U will not have Metroid and big Animal Crossing game.

 

I have memories with Wii and I was little disappointment, with Wii U I'm much more satisfied, what Wii U offer in comparison with other Nintendo consoles:  Best NSMB game, best Pikmin game, best DK game (if we dont count SNES), best Mario Kart game, best Super Smash Bros, best Yoshi game after SNES/DS version, Zelda U looks like it will one of the best Zelda games ever (at lest better than TP and SS) add to that one of the best new Nintendo exlusive in recent years, Splatoon.

So I really can't see how Wii U can be worst Nintendo console, personally much better than Wii, like I wrote Wii U is great console for fans of Nintendo games.

 

No m'y point was that WiiU is thé worst Nintendo console because it doesnt have all these games , not only metroid, but all these big IP together missing WiiU, and WiiU meant to reconciliate third party with Nintendo was in fact much less supported than gamecube and Wii

 

I really cant see how you can think Wii was worse when it had much more Nintendo games and even games in general, and if WiiU really dont get a dedicated exclusive Zelda, it would confirm m'y point as a fact, most care to Know if it is exclusive, if it is on NX , WiiU will become useless for a lot of Zelda fans 

 

I saw much more fans disappointed with WiiU than Wii obviously , and its normal because WiiU gamers are also gamers 

But you point is wrong because you wrote that all that games are missing on Wii U and that's not true.

Wii had more games but you have very big number of average (or even bad games) on Wii, on Wii U you have smaller numbers of games but they are almost all very good and like I wrote some of the best games in whole franchises. If is Zelda U exclusive or not don't mean nothing, especially for Wii U owners.

I wasn't visiting forums in Wii era, but I rarely see that Nintendo fans are disappointed with Wii U, people that dont like Nintendo games sure but not Nintendo fans.


No m'y point is these games are either bad or missing on WiiU, just forgot to édit about bad Mario party and other things , sorry but some Nintendo fans have higher expectations. Maybe in America Nintendo fans have lower expectations and accept less

If Zelda WiiU is not exclusive it means Zelda fans who have none other big interest in WiiU line up would be disappointed , exclusives are what make a console appealing and Zelda was meant to be one of thé 2 biggest WiiU exclusive

 

Still, if you were reading, i wasnt talking about ave rage games but good games, no contest, Wii has much more. 



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

Goodnightmoon on 19 July 2015
Aerys said:
Miyamotoo said:

But you point is wrong because you wrote that all that games are missing on Wii U and that's not true.

Wii had more games but you have very big number of average (or even bad games) on Wii, on Wii U you have smaller numbers of games but they are almost all very good and like I wrote some of the best games in whole franchises. If is Zelda U exclusive or not don't mean nothing, especially for Wii U owners.

I wasn't visiting forums in Wii era, but I rarely see that Nintendo fans are disappointed with Wii U, people that dont like Nintendo games sure but not Nintendo fans.


No m'y point is these games are either bad or missing on WiiU , sorry but some Nintendo fans have higher expectations. Maybe in America Nintendo fans have lower expectations and accept less

If Zelda WiiU is not exclusive it means Zelda fans who have none other big interest in WiiU line up would be disappointed , exclusives are what make a console appealing and Zelda was meant to be one of thé 2 biggest WiiU exclusive

 

Still, if you were reading, i wasnt talking about ave rage games but good games, no contest, Wii has much more. 

Then following your "logic" Uncharted, The Last of Us and even GoW 3 are not really ps3 games because they have or will have versions on Ps4 too, right? So Ps3 had no uncharted, the last of us or GoW exclusives, what a waste of console doesn´t it? 



Untamoi on 19 July 2015
Captain_Yuri said:

But I don't want Zelda U on the NX... I invested on purchasing a wiiU for exclusive games like Zelda and the wiiU has gotten fuck all in terms of a dedicated Zelda game from Nintendo and not having an exclusive/dedicated Zelda game for the wiiU would devalue my investment on the console... And if that happens, I sure won't be buying the NX at launch (unless its a handheld obviously) cause it would make me lose faith in Nintendo to deliver me games because their ability to deliver me games would be based on the platform's success or failure


You forget that consoles are all about business and Wii U has failed completely. Zelda is quite big franchise (Nintendo has several bigger franchises though) but not enough to make Wii U a success. Remember, Mario Kart is several times bigger franchise and even that wasn't enough. The only way Nintendo could remain on consoles is to make new console soon and abandon Wii U. If they don't release NX soon, they would have to leave consoles completely. If there are no game or console sales, it is insane to continue making losses. It doesn't matter at all whether you like it or not.

Sure, they probably will release Zelda U on Wii U but it will probably ported to NX.



Aerys on 19 July 2015
Goodnightmoon said:
Aerys said:


No m'y point is these games are either bad or missing on WiiU , sorry but some Nintendo fans have higher expectations. Maybe in America Nintendo fans have lower expectations and accept less

If Zelda WiiU is not exclusive it means Zelda fans who have none other big interest in WiiU line up would be disappointed , exclusives are what make a console appealing and Zelda was meant to be one of thé 2 biggest WiiU exclusive

 

Still, if you were reading, i wasnt talking about ave rage games but good games, no contest, Wii has much more. 

Then following your "logic", Uncharted, The Last of Us and even GoW 3 are not really ps3 games because they have or will have versions on Ps4 too, right? So Ps3 had no uncharted, the last of us or GoW  exclusives, what a waste of console doesn´t it? 

At least they have been a long time exclusive to PS3 , if we follow Nintendo logic Zelda will be released at thé same time on both console( and even without these games PS3 had a very big library of games, at thé opposite of WiiU that cant allow to lose such big exclusives )Stiller



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

gabzjmm23 on 19 July 2015

Wii U would still have the same number of years like the previous Nintendo consoles has (5 years except Wii). so if it is a slow death or absolute 0% support once NX launched, we don't know. I just know that the current Nintendo console has a lot of great games in HD which i love to play. more VC games and continue to bring those games regardless if it is every 1-2 months (for big IPs. I'm good with it.

About Wii U sales, i don't care, i just know I'm waiting for XCX, hope Devil's Third came to US on retail and FFV too. Thinking of SMM, Yoshi and other games that i haven't bought yet for my Wii U library. I'm still good with it.

There are gamers who think that Wii U isn't worth since there aren't enough games for them to own a Wii U, so be it. That is there opinion anyway.