By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Movies & TV - Who would win: Superman Vs Dr. Manhattan

 

Who wins?

Superman 20 16.81%
 
Doctor Manhattan 89 74.79%
 
Draw 2 1.68%
 
They kill each other 6 5.04%
 
DC wins 2 1.68%
 
Total:119
mornelithe on 18 July 2015
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
mornelithe said:

lol, says who?  If Superman and Dr Manhattan exist in the same Universe, and yeah the same planet, exactly how would Dr. Manhattan not know about Kryptonite?  But yeah, nevermind that he could simply erase Superman, just erase him.  

'We've never seen' - That's why I said theoretically, you should study up on words.  We know he can control matter, at will, The Comedian says this to him just after he shot that pregnant Vietnamese woman in the bar in Vietnam.  He literally says he could've turned the gun into flowers.  So...yeah, he controls matter, ergo, can simply create a black hole inside Superman.  Oh yeah, and you do realize that he single-handedly was responsible for the surrender of an entire country.

You can doubt all you like, but we really don't know.  We do know Superman has limits, however.  So, it's kind of an unfair comparison.

EDIT:  Nobody's mentioned the two failings we know of for Manhattan.  Tachyon's can mess with his powers, and apathy.  He's generally aloof of human concerns, and basically just doesn't care most of the time.

List of powers:

Size Alteration, Godlike Strength, Teleportation of himself or other individuals over incredible distances, Matter Manipulation/Atomic Structure Control (Limits Unknown), independently acting self replication operating in an intelligent collective, intangibility, Atemporal (perception of time), Doesn't appear to age, doesn't require food, water or air, creation of environmental fields, can read atoms and sense tachyons, telekinesis, disintegration/Intrinsic Field removal (Unclear whether he's disintegrating his targets or removing their field.)

So, I guess the ultimate issue is his limits have never really been shown, so the argument is rather moot.

You've never heard of first encounters? And that's the problem. Just because we've never seen his limits, doesn't mean we should make him able to do anything. That's a no-limit fallacy.

What do the words 'unfair comparison' mean? 



Around the Network
The_Sony_Girl1 on 18 July 2015
mornelithe said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
mornelithe said:

lol, says who?  If Superman and Dr Manhattan exist in the same Universe, and yeah the same planet, exactly how would Dr. Manhattan not know about Kryptonite?  But yeah, nevermind that he could simply erase Superman, just erase him.  

'We've never seen' - That's why I said theoretically, you should study up on words.  We know he can control matter, at will, The Comedian says this to him just after he shot that pregnant Vietnamese woman in the bar in Vietnam.  He literally says he could've turned the gun into flowers.  So...yeah, he controls matter, ergo, can simply create a black hole inside Superman.  Oh yeah, and you do realize that he single-handedly was responsible for the surrender of an entire country.

You can doubt all you like, but we really don't know.  We do know Superman has limits, however.  So, it's kind of an unfair comparison.

EDIT:  Nobody's mentioned the two failings we know of for Manhattan.  Tachyon's can mess with his powers, and apathy.  He's generally aloof of human concerns, and basically just doesn't care most of the time.

List of powers:

Size Alteration, Godlike Strength, Teleportation of himself or other individuals over incredible distances, Matter Manipulation/Atomic Structure Control (Limits Unknown), independently acting self replication operating in an intelligent collective, intangibility, Atemporal (perception of time), Doesn't appear to age, doesn't require food, water or air, creation of environmental fields, can read atoms and sense tachyons, telekinesis, disintegration/Intrinsic Field removal (Unclear whether he's disintegrating his targets or removing their field.)

So, I guess the ultimate issue is his limits have never really been shown, so the argument is rather moot.

You've never heard of first encounters? And that's the problem. Just because we've never seen his limits, doesn't mean we should make him able to do anything. That's a no-limit fallacy.

What do the words 'unfair comparison' mean?

Sorry.



Bet with Xander XT: 

I can beat more games on his 3DS than he can on my PSVita in a month. Loser has to buy the winner a game on his/her handheld Guess who won? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=193531

Me!

Zappykins on 18 July 2015

I'm in agreement Superman could be a mere vapor if Manhattan willed it.

How about Dr. Manhattan vs Galactus? Might he have a tiny chance? Or should he fight someone that can go ethereal like Dr. Strange.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!
OttoniBastos on 18 July 2015

.

Last edited by OttoniBastos - on 12 November 2019

AbbathTheGrim on 18 July 2015
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
mornelithe said:

Dr. Manhattan, theoretically could create a Black Hole inside Superman...or turn his blood into Kryptonite.  Speed doesn't matter when you can not only move instantly, but exist in multiple places at once.  There are limits to Supermans' strength, also.  Dr. Manhattan could theoretically increase his mass to much, much greater than anything Superman could move.

That's the problem with this discussion, Dr. Manhattan simply isn't touchable.

That's the problem. Dr. Manattan wouldn't know what Kryptonite is. And we've never seen Dr. Manhattan make a blackhole, so we can't assume he can. And I doubt that Dr. Manhattan can increase his mass to 5 Sextillion Megatons, which is a big feat for him.

If Doctor Manhattan can manipulate matter he can create a Black Hole, but I don't think he could create a "little Black Hole" inside Superman.

Black Holes are the result of massive stars bending space-time to ridiculous amounts by gravity, once they have fused the atoms (matter) that comprise them all the way from hydrogen to iron.

This is why I don't think Doctor Manhattan can create mini-Black Holes, you see, for example, our Sun is fated to become a White Dwarf after the Sun's mass limits the fusion reaction up to oxygen, becomes a Red Giant and then ends as a White Dwarf. The mass of a star is the one that allows it to become a Black Hole and it has to be at least 5 times bigger than that of our Sun (Earth fits 1,300,000 times inside the Sun) to go Black Hole.

So in order for Mr. Manhattan to create a mini-Black Hole he would need the power to manipulate space-time itself because otherwise with his power of manipulating matter he would need to create a gigantic body of mass to bend space-time for it to create a Black Hole.

I guess Dr. Mahattan could at least grab a huge amount of atoms from neighboring parts of the Universe and turned them into iron and create a Black Hole with Superman in the middle. Superman would no longer have sunlight and he would go through the Black Hole's singularity now reduced to toothpaste.

Unless you believe Mr. Christopher Nolan and as long as Superman flies very fast towards the center of the Black Hole he will be fine and will even learn about "love".

What a complicated convo, Dr. Manhattan should just disperse the atoms that form Superman and get it over with. Like Augen said:

Augen said:
Manhattan can not be defeated by force, he could simply break down any opponent at the atomic level. This "fight" would last exactly as long as Manhattan decided it to last.




Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

Around the Network
ils411 on 18 July 2015

Batman with his anti-Dr. Manhattan spray



mysteryman on 18 July 2015
ils411 said:
Batman with his anti-Dr. Manhattan spray

Stay on-topic. Anyone vs. Batman is an even less fair fight.

Even immortal gods cannot touch plot-armour.



Porcupine_I on 18 July 2015

It depends on whoever writes the story. Since they are both on the "good" side it would probably ending in a draw with both of them saving face.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Volterra_90 on 18 July 2015

Manhattan by a mile. He could just simply disintegrate Superman in a mili-second.



archer9234 on 18 July 2015
mountaindewslave said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
You guys are seriously underestimating Superman and overestamating Dr. Manhattan.


how? I think the issue is that the lore has made Dr. Manhatten too powerful. he is indestructible. explain to me what Superman would do to defeat Dr. Manhattan. even when he was departiclized into a bunch of pieces in the Watchmen comics he simply put himself right back together. if he can break into a million parts and immediately return back to normal then there is no physical possible way Superman can damage him

 

the reality is that Dr. Manhattan is too powerful, being able to teleport, see the future/past, explode/destroy particles of anything from anywhere, has no weaknesses- it is boring to compare him with ANY superhero or supervillain because he is meant to be a 'God' figure and as such is not your regular comic character

There's a few ways to deal with Manhattan. One requires someone to kill him that isn't known to him. Like someone from another universe. Deconstruct atoms. Or burn off his particles. He doesn't really care about a lot of things. As you can see in the comic or movie. He still fucks up. A person who can see the future. Still doesn't care, and fucks up spectre's life. He's all seeing. Still does it. Which begs the qestion when he complains how he can't remeber being human. Remove your power. If you're all powerful. You can do this. Plothole land. Which can be used to exploit.

Second, go back in time and kill him before birth. Can Manhattan really scan the entire universe and keep track of everyone. At the same time. Multiple universes. Multiple time periods of each one. What about his evil version from an alt dimension. Gladly help out and kill him off. There's some options. But it's really stupid to create characters like him.

Third. Get someone that can't be killed. A real God, for example. Or someone who has very simliar powers like Myxlplyx. And lock him into a spell.