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Basically this game has to be published regardless of how bad most people think it is. Just like it was dumb to ask for the cancellation of the federation force game is not fair that this game is not release in NA because some players are looking foward to this game and want to play it.



                                                                                     

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twintail said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Its not realy a controversy, the game has been in development hell for long and aparently sucks real bad.

Simple, dont make a stinking pile of poo. If youre getting Nints to fund and advertise your game you have to at least make it decent, its not liek youre having financial issues and not getting the word about your game out there. If the dev completly botches the thing than I see as the right of the publisher to pass on it, afterall its theyre money funding it anyway.

Nintendo actually co-developed the game when they took it on for publishing. 

 

But I guess everyone is going to ignore that simple fact. 


Really? I didn't know Nintendo co developed it.



"Say what you want about Americans but we understand Capitalism.You buy yourself a product and you Get What You Pay For."  

- Max Payne 3

Yeah, I'm gonna need a source. (Not Wikipedia)

Like how they co-developed Bayonetta 2 w/ Platinum.

Oh wait...

They might have played a part in development, but only to serve as supervisors like they did Bayo 2.

Valhalla were the main ones running the show with the development process.



twintail said:
DakonBlackblade said:

Its not realy a controversy, the game has been in development hell for long and aparently sucks real bad.

Simple, dont make a stinking pile of poo. If youre getting Nints to fund and advertise your game you have to at least make it decent, its not liek youre having financial issues and not getting the word about your game out there. If the dev completly botches the thing than I see as the right of the publisher to pass on it, afterall its theyre money funding it anyway.

Nintendo actually co-developed the game when they took it on for publishing. 

 

But I guess everyone is going to ignore that simple fact. 

If you want people to accept facts then you should link a source to your claim in your comment.



I am a Nintendo fanatic.

just bought Other M, will see how the game is. I haven't played that much of Metroid Prime 1. and haven't played 2 and 3.

it is also like when i find FF XIII a good game, but i know why people are angry at it. then XIII-2 came, people are still angry since it didn't suit their taste but SE fix several issues from XIII. lol

for this game, it was in my wishlist in Amazon. i still think i would check further reviews on the game and hopefully if it isn't really worth $60, Nintendo should lower its price.

For the Federation Force, i hope it would still deliver on what their objective and vision of the game is.

i'm not a game designer or part of the gaming industry, more on IT, so i know the software development cycle, etc... and people just think it is easy to create something from scratch or use the tools (engine in gaming - Unreal, etc) and still push what the gamers want.

most of the people who bash the game aren't interested anyway and probably won't buy to begin with.
it is a different story when you have the game and you say it is really bad. but because of bad publicity, people would jump the bandwagon.



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twintail said:
alternine said:

Really? I didn't know Nintendo co developed it.

PAOerfulone said:

Yeah, I'm gonna need a source. (Not Wikipedia)

Stellar_Fungk said:

If you want people to accept facts then you should link a source to your claim in your comment. 

 

http://www.valhallagamestudios.com/en/2014/09/thought-2014-09.html

 

Nintendo is fully supporting us in game design, testing and tuning. Especially Mr. Yamagami - every week he and I have great discussions about really fundamental but important ideas about what makes a video game - even the significance of simply "pressing a button," or what kind of emotions we want to evoke or what type of surprises we need. We've been able to form a deep understanding with each other and together we were able to create an easily accessible system that anyone can quickly pick up and play.

Nintendo SPD being a co-developer is mentinoned in various other articles on the net too. The actual SPD group is SPD 2, who play a major role in the co-developing of games with 3rd party developers. And yes, Bayoneta 2 was not realy assisted by Nintendo. That was pretty much Platinum.  Devil's Third is not only Valhalla. 

Then Nintendo has helped with the development of Devils Third via game design and Yamagami being the producer.

Concerning Bayonetta; I wouldn't be suprised if Yamagami helped with it too 'cause he is listed as producer (on wikipedia though) . And a tweet from (rather subtle with a "yup" though) Hideki Kamiya somewhat confirms that.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nintendo-Producers-Working-With-Platinum-Games-Bayonetta-2-47340.html

You can find the tweet linked as "Yes" in the article. Though it's confirmation is not as detailed as the Devil's Third one.



I am a Nintendo fanatic.

I'll acknowledge that Nintendo SDP has a role with developing 3rd party titles. But it looks more or less like it does with Bayonetta 2, not really anything major.
By supporting, it means more like giving them the funds and resources they need to develop the title, along with pitching some ideas and techniques that will help the game move along and showing them ways of developing for the Wii U to take advantage of the Wii U's hardware. So they are partially to blame for this.

However, the majority of the development responsibilities still falls on Valhalla. Because, after all, it's their game, thus they are the primary developers. And they had 3 years to make it good on the Wii U, WITH Nintendo's help, they had more than enough time and plenty of support. And they didn't deliver.
Plain and Simple.



gabzjmm23 said:
just bought Other M, will see how the game is. I haven't played that much of Metroid Prime 1. and haven't played 2 and 3.

it is also like when i find FF XIII a good game, but i know why people are angry at it. then XIII-2 came, people are still angry since it didn't suit their taste but SE fix several issues from XIII. lol

for this game, it was in my wishlist in Amazon. i still think i would check further reviews on the game and hopefully if it isn't really worth $60, Nintendo should lower its price.

For the Federation Force, i hope it would still deliver on what their objective and vision of the game is.

i'm not a game designer or part of the gaming industry, more on IT, so i know the software development cycle, etc... and people just think it is easy to create something from scratch or use the tools (engine in gaming - Unreal, etc) and still push what the gamers want.

most of the people who bash the game aren't interested anyway and probably won't buy to begin with.
it is a different story when you have the game and you say it is really bad. but because of bad publicity, people would jump the bandwagon.

No one is really bashing metroid federation force for its gameplay, people are just mad that Nintendo thinks it can get away with a budget spin off substitute in place of one of the most requested franchises.

As for Devils third, people aren't jumping on the hate bandwagon blindly. Actual gameplay was shown at e3, poor graphics were shown on all videos, and reviewers are hating the game (giving their reasons as to why). People are using information shown by Nintendos trailers. Even if the game is funner to play in person, Nintendo did a very poor job of showing it. Making an educated assumption based on presented information is better than spending $60 to confirm something that seems obvious (especially when other reviewers have done that for you).

yes, making a game is very hard and difficult, but if they want to give it a full retail price like every other major game developer, then they need to suck it up and make it work well. No one should get a free pass on making a quality full priced game.



PAOerfulone said:

I'll acknowledge that Nintendo SDP has a role with developing 3rd party titles. But it looks more or less like it does with Bayonetta 2, not really anything major.
By supporting, it means more like giving them the funds and resources they need to develop the title, along with pitching some ideas and techniques that will help the game move along and showing them ways of developing for the Wii U to take advantage of the Wii U's hardware. So they are partially to blame for this.

However, the majority of the development responsibilities still falls on Valhalla. Because, after all, it's their game, thus they are the primary developers. And they had 3 years to make it good on the Wii U, WITH Nintendo's help, they had more than enough time and plenty of support. And they didn't deliver.
Plain and Simple.


Valhalla failing doesn't detract from the fact that Nintendo also messed up big time.

Nintendo used money that could have gone towards a destiny/fallout/GTA port, but instead they chose to invest in this game. That was the first mess up given the fact that this game was in development catastrophe after thq went down.

Then they did not intervene to say "this game looks awful, let's fix it," like a publisher should. That was the second mistake since Nintendo should have maintained a stronger oversight of a game that has been through tough development times.

The next mistake would be to not release the game. Not only could the money they invested have gone to ports of other games, it instead gets completely wasted since no game ends up coming out of it. Despite Valhalla making an awful game, Nintendo should still publish it to not waste the money that could have gone to meaningful ports.



the_dengle said:
My take on it is that there is none.

Exactly. What controversy? People are just claiming that they don't like the game, because it isn't very good. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Feel free to buy the game and enjoy it, I'm not gonna stop you and noone else will either. But these previews are just providing the opinion of the person on the title and saying that it's not a very good game in their opinion. 

I don't understand how that is "controversy".



 

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