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Cobretti2 on 05 July 2015
marley said:
Cobretti2 said:


Offcourse it remained the same on Nintendo that is only logical. Playstation took over the 3rd parties they flurished on there. franchises that did not make the top 20 on Nintendo suddenly started making it in the top 20 on Playstation. Sony expanded gaming for 3rd parties on consoles.


And you don't believe that directly competing competing with Nintendo for a Nintendo gamer's limited money is part of that equation?  


partially sure but not eally considering the avg gaming age has gone up and we have bigger dissposible incomes then when we were kids. Most NIntendo fans own multiple consoles to get those games now.



 

 

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Platina on 05 July 2015

Well, there wasn't 3rd party support in the first place so that is why there are basically only Nintendo games on there :/



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IkePoR on 05 July 2015
JRPGfan said:

Its more than just sales not being there though...

Look at Sony's E3... its all about 3rd parties. Sony does more or less everything it can for its 3rd party titles.

Meanwhile Its like Nintendo refuse to spend anything to help 3rd party compete gainst their own first party.

 

I think Nintendo see themselfs as a game developer, that just happends to make hardware, so people can buy their software.

Microsoft and Sony are more tech firms, they goal is to support 3rd party as a place to have games.

I agree here.  Sony's been humbled though and it's something Nintendo could use too.  The Wii U has done little in this effort as the idea of mobile games will earn them back what they've missed with it.  Sony seeing red is the best thing that's happened to the company and it will only get better from here on.  Nintendo will get worse.



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Cobretti2 on 05 July 2015
teigaga said:
RolStoppable said:
Essentially, Nintendo doesn't get third party games because their first party games are too good and are therefore the first choice for consumers. However, if Nintendo reduced the quantity and/or quality of their output, then the hardware would sell notably worse which in turn would also mean that third party games can't sell in big numbers.

Looks like it isn't in Nintendo's power to solve this problem. What would need to happen is that third parties step up their game and make their own offerings become the first choice for consumers. However, this requires serious effort, so it's unreasonable to expect it to happen.


Considering Xbox One has 2x as many million sellers in half the time, I don't think that arguement holds. Theres plenty of room for third parties to have success as second choice after  consumers have picked up Mario.  Given how slow most of those Wii U games sold we know consumers didn't exactly run out to purchase them either. Wii U owners just don't seem to have a big appetite for games or the games on the platform don't interest them much, presumably many spend much of the year playing on their Primary console 

 

The problem is my fellow bretheran nit pick every little problem. For example AC IV was "oh frame rate is shit" when in reailty it just dipped a few times because of hardware restrictions. No worst that on PS360. Hell the PS4 version even had frame rate issues. BUt nothing major that prevents you from playing the game.

Majorly broken unplayable games and gimp games I can understand but these happen on all consoles. Sadly gamers on other consoles will go out and buy them too hnece some devs think they can just release shit and ty to patch it later.



 

 

S.T.A.G.E. on 05 July 2015
Platina said:
Well, there wasn't 3rd party support in the first place so that is why there are basically only Nintendo games on there :/


Nintendo promised on E3 2012 that the Wii U would have coverage from third party, including the biggest names in the industry from the west. They failed to maintain said relationships.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 05 July 2015
IkePoR said:

I agree here.  Sony's been humbled though and it's something Nintendo could use too.  The Wii U has done little in this effort as the idea of mobile games will earn them back what they've missed with it.  Sony seeing red is the best thing that's happened to the company and it will only get better from here on.  Nintendo will get worse.


Sony wasnt humbled. They took the dive with the PS3 to save Blu Ray. It was a planned suicide mission in which they knew they would financially be bleeding.



AEGRO on 05 July 2015
IkePoR said:
JRPGfan said:

Its more than just sales not being there though...

Look at Sony's E3... its all about 3rd parties. Sony does more or less everything it can for its 3rd party titles.

Meanwhile Its like Nintendo refuse to spend anything to help 3rd party compete gainst their own first party.

 

I think Nintendo see themselfs as a game developer, that just happends to make hardware, so people can buy their software.

Microsoft and Sony are more tech firms, they goal is to support 3rd party as a place to have games.

I agree here.  Sony's been humbled though and it's something Nintendo could use too.  The Wii U has done little in this effort as the idea of mobile games will earn them back what they've missed with it.  Sony seeing red is the best thing that's happened to the company and it will only get better from here on.  Nintendo will get worse.


You would think that after almost 6 generations of hardware, each one selling less than the previous iteration (with the exception of the accidental success of the Wii) Nintendo would be humbled by now...but boy oh boy! 

 

According to Reggie they are better than ever before...fuck Ubi and Activision right? We have Splatoon!



IamAwsome on 05 July 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Platina said:
Well, there wasn't 3rd party support in the first place so that is why there are basically only Nintendo games on there :/


Nintendo promised on E3 2012 that the Wii U would have coverage from third party, including the biggest names in the industry from the west. They failed to maintain said relationships.

To be fair it's not Iwata and Reggie's fault that third parties, particularly EA, promised support and bailed before the system launched, while continuing to support the PS3 and 360. Sales became a legit reason to not support the console after 2013, but what about launch up to that point? 



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 July 2015
IamAwsome said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Nintendo promised on E3 2012 that the Wii U would have coverage from third party, including the biggest names in the industry from the west. They failed to maintain said relationships.

To be fair it's not Iwata and Reggie's fault that third parties, particularly EA, promised support and bailed before the system launched, while continuing to support the PS3 and 360. Sales became a legit reason to not support the console after 2013, but what about launch up to that point? 

EA just wants money. Its definitely politics that destroyed that deal. It has nothing to do with the gamers. EA destroyed the deal Microsoft had with Bioware to make more money off of Mass Effect. EA will make deals with whoever will help them, buy up real estate but they will never go exclusive without reason. It wasnt because of sales as to why EA backed out. Also, you have to remember a lot of them gave notice out to the big three that they were going to need proper hardware. If I thought there was going to be an issue it would development, it would definitely be an argument of getting the funds to downport games specifically for the sake of Nintendo and a contingency plan just incase Nintendo scared off other third parties causing multiplat gamers not to populate and buy multiplat games.



AEGRO on 05 July 2015

We all know EA is one of the biggest douche bags of the industry, but they also are one of the biggest developers/publishers.

Sony and Microsoft know how to use their Poker Face to make business with them, specially when they have HUGE games like Star Wars Battlefront. Nintendo HAVE to do the same if they want to be competitive.