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AEGRO on 05 July 2015
RolStoppable said:
Essentially, Nintendo doesn't get third party games because their first party games are too good and are therefore the first choice for consumers. However, if Nintendo reduced the quantity and/or quality of their output, then the hardware would sell notably worse which in turn would also mean that third party games can't sell in big numbers.

Looks like it isn't in Nintendo's power to solve this problem. What would need to happen is that third parties step up their game and make their own offerings become the first choice for consumers. However, this requires serious effort, so it's unreasonable to expect it to happen.


Bethesda is scared shitless to release Fallout 4 on the Wii U because Splatoon bro!

 

The High Quality Bar is too high for shitty games like The Witcher 3 right?

 

Come on...im tired of seeing this type of comments that do nothing but harm to Nintendo. 



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sethnintendo on 05 July 2015
AEGRO said:


Bethesda is scared shitless to release Fallout 4 on the Wii U because Splatoon bro!

 


Their games are too buggy to be released on a Nintendo systems...  Wait, nevermind...  I can't make that point after letting The Letter and that epic fail run game be released.



Conegamer on 05 July 2015
Mystro-Sama said:
Conegamer said:
The reason Nintendo systems can't get third party games is because their first party games are so dominating? Or, perhaps it is that the reason Nintendo systems have such strong first party sales is because they can't get thirs party games?

It's a vicious circle and it's probably easiest to just accept that Nintendo systems are for Nintendo games.


Too bad thats not enough to sustain a company.

Apologies, I didn't realize the thread was about what could and couldn't sustain a company and thought it was about why Nintendo can't have third party games. Perhaps it won't be able to support the company in the long run but that wasn't the point here. And quite frankly, I don't see how Nintendo could win people (more precisely third parties) over now. 



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

S.T.A.G.E. on 05 July 2015
RolStoppable said:
Essentially, Nintendo doesn't get third party games because their first party games are too good and are therefore the first choice for consumers. However, if Nintendo reduced the quantity and/or quality of their output, then the hardware would sell notably worse which in turn would also mean that third party games can't sell in big numbers.

Looks like it isn't in Nintendo's power to solve this problem. What would need to happen is that third parties step up their game and make their own offerings become the first choice for consumers. However, this requires serious effort, so it's unreasonable to expect it to happen.


Or they could just entice gamers who normally buy multiplat to buy their console like the SNES era. The majority of the Playstation and XBox userbase are composed of them. LOL....just lure them for christ sakes. Microsoft did it...and they managed to weaken Sony for a generation (caused RROD but you get the picture). LOL :)

Before that can be fixed though, you have to fix the political problems between Nintendo and third party, because without them you cant get the games. Third is the strategy, much like what Microsoft did to increase their marketshare which caused them to plot down the Xbox 360's release a year ahead of Sony (thus launching without any competition while showing off a wealth of third party and enticing multiplat gamers to jump ship). Launching with Sony is not good for your health if you're in a battle for third party.



AEGRO on 05 July 2015
RolStoppable said:
AEGRO said:

Bethesda is scared shitless to release Fallout 4 on the Wii U because Splatoon bro!

 

The High Quality Bar is too high for shitty games like The Witcher 3 right?

 

Come on...im tired of seeing this type of comments that do nothing but harm to Nintendo. 

Third parties aren't scared. They are like water, so they choose the path of least resistance. At this point it's undeniable that the easiest places to get away with their shenenigans are PlayStation and Xbox. They don't have to put in much effort to sell there. They can tell the audience that their upcoming game is going to be amazing and that's all it takes to sell a million copies in week one. In the aftermath the audience will admit that the game wasn't all that, but that doesn't stop them from falling for the same thing again when the next game comes around. Naturally, that's a more welcoming environment for third parties than a Nintendo console where even Nintendo IPs aren't safe from getting the shaft (like Metroid: Other M which flopped so hard that stores sold it for 10 Euro within a few months).

If you think that my comments harm Nintendo, then I'd like you to explain the why and how

 

There is nothing more resistance less than releasing a game on a console that have just 3 games released at this point of the year like the Wii U.

 

Have you looked at the November release calendar? Now that shit is like The Hunger Games.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 05 July 2015
RolStoppable said:
AEGRO said:

Bethesda is scared shitless to release Fallout 4 on the Wii U because Splatoon bro!

 

The High Quality Bar is too high for shitty games like The Witcher 3 right?

 

Come on...im tired of seeing this type of comments that do nothing but harm to Nintendo. 

Third parties aren't scared. They are like water, so they choose the path of least resistance. At this point it's undeniable that the easiest places to get away with their shenenigans are PlayStation and Xbox. They don't have to put in much effort to sell there. They can tell the audience that their upcoming game is going to be amazing and that's all it takes to sell a million copies in week one. In the aftermath the audience will admit that the game wasn't all that, but that doesn't stop them from falling for the same thing again when the next game comes around. Naturally, that's a more welcoming environment for third parties than a Nintendo console where even Nintendo IPs aren't safe from getting the shaft (like Metroid: Other M which flopped so hard that stores sold it for 10 Euro within a few months).

If you think that my comments harm Nintendo, then I'd like you to explain the why and how.


LOL The multiplat gamers go where the multiplatform games are. It has nothing to do with resistence. Microsoft found that out about Sony and thats why they went from 24 million consoles to 80+ million from one generation to another. If Nintendo loyalists dont buy third party then they wont. Also seems to me that a lot of Nintendo fans have smartened up and bought a secondary console (or PC) as a measure to get their hands on third party.  Multiplatform games can be played anywhere applicable except Nintendo and I am guessing no one thinks to question what Nintendos issue is.



AEGRO on 05 July 2015
RolStoppable said:
AEGRO said:

There is nothing more resistance less than releasing a game on a console that have just 3 games released at this point of the year like the Wii U.

 

Have you looked at the November release calendar? Now that shit is like The Hunger Games.

An empty release schedule doesn't make Nintendo console owners buy anything, otherwise the Wii U would have a lot more million sellers.

You forgot about the explanation I asked you for.


Why would i have to explain anything when you are answering yourself on this very same comment?



AEGRO on 05 July 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
RolStoppable said:

Third parties aren't scared. They are like water, so they choose the path of least resistance. At this point it's undeniable that the easiest places to get away with their shenenigans are PlayStation and Xbox. They don't have to put in much effort to sell there. They can tell the audience that their upcoming game is going to be amazing and that's all it takes to sell a million copies in week one. In the aftermath the audience will admit that the game wasn't all that, but that doesn't stop them from falling for the same thing again when the next game comes around. Naturally, that's a more welcoming environment for third parties than a Nintendo console where even Nintendo IPs aren't safe from getting the shaft (like Metroid: Other M which flopped so hard that stores sold it for 10 Euro within a few months).

If you think that my comments harm Nintendo, then I'd like you to explain the why and how.


LOL The multiplat gamers go where the multiplatform games are. It has nothing to do with resistence. Microsoft found that out about Sony and thats why they went from 24 million consoles to 80+ million from one generation to another. If Nintendo loyalists dont buy third party then they wont. Also seems to me that a lot of Nintendo fans have smartened up and bought a secondary console (or PC) as a measure to get their hands on third party.  Multiplatform games can be played anywhere applicable except Nintendo and I am guessing no one thinks to question what Nintendos issue is.

 

Nintendo fans have the "who gives a shit about third party games" hive mentality. And then, they are the same ones that wonder why Nintendo consoles sell like shit. 

 

If you dont think there is something wrong with your console, when 95% of the games available on the market dont release on it, well...i dont know what to say.

 

Like ive said before, i have more than 70 games on my Ps4. I love Sony, but i will NEVER buy a console without 3rd party support, not from them, not from Microsoft and obviously not from Nintendo. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 05 July 2015
AEGRO said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


LOL The multiplat gamers go where the multiplatform games are. It has nothing to do with resistence. Microsoft found that out about Sony and thats why they went from 24 million consoles to 80+ million from one generation to another. If Nintendo loyalists dont buy third party then they wont. Also seems to me that a lot of Nintendo fans have smartened up and bought a secondary console (or PC) as a measure to get their hands on third party.  Multiplatform games can be played anywhere applicable except Nintendo and I am guessing no one thinks to question what Nintendos issue is.

 

Nintendo fans have the "who gives a shit about third party games" hive mentality. And then, they are the same ones that wonder why Nintendo consoles sell like shit. 

 

If you dont think there is something wrong with your console, when 95% of the games available on the market dont release on it, well...i dont know what to say.

 

Like ive said before, i have more than 70 games on my Ps4. I love Sony, but i will NEVER buy a console without 3rd party support, not from them, not from Microsoft and obviously not from Nintendo. 

Exactly. Nintendo is learning that lesson. First party isn't the only thing that sells a console. Its the collective of games. The Gamecube had more third party than the Wii U and thats why the Wii U will be crowned the worst selling console of all time.

People seem to forget why Sony sold 100 million consoles in their first generation. It slips their mind. They also know how to work in harmony so both entities can achieve their vision. Nintendo only looks out for their vision.



teigaga on 05 July 2015
RolStoppable said:
Essentially, Nintendo doesn't get third party games because their first party games are too good and are therefore the first choice for consumers. However, if Nintendo reduced the quantity and/or quality of their output, then the hardware would sell notably worse which in turn would also mean that third party games can't sell in big numbers.

Looks like it isn't in Nintendo's power to solve this problem. What would need to happen is that third parties step up their game and make their own offerings become the first choice for consumers. However, this requires serious effort, so it's unreasonable to expect it to happen.


Considering Xbox One has 2x as many million sellers in half the time, I don't think that arguement holds. Theres plenty of room for third parties to have success as second choice after  consumers have picked up Mario.  Given how slow most of those Wii U games sold we know consumers didn't exactly run out to purchase them either. Wii U owners just don't seem to have a big appetite for games or the games on the platform don't interest them much, presumably many spend much of the year playing on their Primary console