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johnsobas on 25 June 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
johnsobas said:
i just want to hear an argument about how the death sentence has any benefit other than "it's right" and "it makes people feel better." Why should we care what the killer is doing when he is no threat and killing him has no benefit?


Are you Joyce Mitchell by any chance? And have you known anyone who has been murdered?


I really don't care.  I mean seriously.  So that is your only argument?  That it makes you feel better?  



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McDonaldsGuy on 25 June 2015
johnsobas said:
McDonaldsGuy said:


Are you Joyce Mitchell by any chance? And have you known anyone who has been murdered?


I really don't care.  I mean seriously.  So that is your only argument?  That it makes you feel better?  


We need to tell people murdering is wrong, and that the ultimate punishment for taking someone's life is their own life. But I am not arguing with you.



Low78wagon on 25 June 2015

I wish he could be tortured tI'll he begs for death then keep him alive in a tiny box. I'm for the death penalty but this sounds better.



palou on 25 June 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
Normchacho said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
What's so sad is that you guys could have a good argument when it comes to innocents and corruption in the system, but you focus on morality and the "prison is worse than death" myths instead. If you're trying to make me feel sorry for a guy who planted a rice cooker bomb in front of an 8 year old kid; or a guy who shot up babies and kids at a theater; or a guy who shot church goers based on race, it isn't going to work. My sympathy is 100% for the victims.

There's only one spree killer I have legit sympathy for and it was this guy named Charles, who was the perpetrator of the Texas school shooting in the 60s. Apparently he had a huge tumor in his head and literally could not control his behavior.

There should be a debate on death penalty reform, not "oh man it's so immoral to painlessly inject a guy who shot up a theater full of people trying to enjoy a Batman movie!"


Tell me where in my argument I said anything about prison being worse than death or said that I held any sympathy for a killer? Please, point out even one example.

My argument is, and has always been, that the death penalty doesn't provide any benefit to society, and because our legal system isn't 100% accurate it cannot be trusted with deciding if someone gets to live or die. I'll also add that I think our Justice system should be above emotional reactions such as revenge.

You don't seem to have much of a case against my argument, so I'm interested to see what you post next.

See I would have liked to focus on the innocents debate, but when you argue it's not beneficial to society it makes me roll my eyes. Why punish anyone then? It's not beneficial to society after all.

You're basically saying the feelings of those who lost a loved one shouldn't matter, and that's the exact type of mentality the killer's had. Just saying.


He did not say that last part.

Also, I truly believe that punishment should be used uniquely as a tool to reinvigurate securitym and there, sparingly.

I do see how you made the last correlation, however, lust for revenge is impulsif, dangerous, and must be restrained. (Revenge equally being one of the most common motives for murder.) Beyond that, the state is ofcourse responsible for taking care of the grieving of the victims entourage, which could be done with the funds of the criminal.

The human being is not inheritly evil, more is often source of these killings. The family of the killers, just as innocent as the one of the victim, will usually still have affection for the person, quite naturally blaming the events on other things, ( religion, etc...), and will be grieving no less.

there is more to a death sentence than the death itself, being in death line is to be the worst form of torture. Read "the last day of a convicted man" on that subject ( victor hugo)



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McDonaldsGuy on 25 June 2015
Low78wagon said:
I wish he could be tortured tI'll he begs for death then keep him alive in a tiny box. I'm for the death penalty but this sounds better.


I say use him for experimentation - use him to find a cure for HIV/Ebola/Diabetes/Alzheimer's, etc. etc.



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johnsobas on 25 June 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
johnsobas said:


I really don't care.  I mean seriously.  So that is your only argument?  That it makes you feel better?  


We need to tell people murdering is wrong, and that the ultimate punishment for taking someone's life is their own life. But I am not arguing with you.

what i just asked is what people have been asking you for hours and you've been beating around the bush and not answering the question.  That's fine if that's what you believe, just say it right away instead of arguing little tiny side points away from the main point.  I'm not gonna argue that point either, it's based on emotion and not logic.  



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Aeolus451 on 25 June 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
Aeolus451 said:

 First of all, keeping someone in prison for life is extremely costly and there's a chance that the person can be released back into civilization through politics, deals with police or policy changes. I rather use that money to rehabilitate/educate non-violent criminals and the less serious offenders. 

I'm all for an expedited death sentence for raptists, molesters, mass murderers, serial killers and politicians found guilty of corruption.


Yes! Although I don't think rapists should get the death penalty (mainly because it's too much "he said she said").

Children are starving, and anyone who gives money to a serial killer over a starving child is evil imo.


Well, if a rapist is caught in the act or there's undeniable evidence that supports her side of it then I would prefer that the culprit is put to death or at the very least given a life sentence in some prison in another country where they treat prisoners like prisoners. 



McDonaldsGuy on 25 June 2015
johnsobas said:
McDonaldsGuy said:


We need to tell people murdering is wrong, and that the ultimate punishment for taking someone's life is their own life. But I am not arguing with you.

what i just asked is what people have been asking you for hours and you've been beating around the bush and not answering the question.  That's fine if that's what you believe, just say it right away instead of arguing little tiny side points away from the main point.  I'm not gonna argue that point either, it's based on emotion and not logic.  

People are dead, of course there's going to be emotion. Sorry life isn't a video game brother. Sorry there are no Phoenix Downs or 1 ups.



palou on 25 June 2015
Aeolus451 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:


Yes! Although I don't think rapists should get the death penalty (mainly because it's too much "he said she said").

Children are starving, and anyone who gives money to a serial killer over a starving child is evil imo.


Well, if a rapist is caught in the act or there's undeniable evidence that supports her side of it then I would prefer that the culprit is put to death or at the very least given a life sentence in some prison in another country where they treat prisoners like prisoners. 

Beyond setting an example, why punish?



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McDonaldsGuy on 25 June 2015
Aeolus451 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:


Yes! Although I don't think rapists should get the death penalty (mainly because it's too much "he said she said").

Children are starving, and anyone who gives money to a serial killer over a starving child is evil imo.


Well, if a rapist is caught in the act or there's undeniable evidence that supports her side of it then I would prefer that the culprit is put to death or at the very least given a life sentence in some prison in another country where they treat prisoners like prisoners. 


Oh I can get behind that then.

America coddles prisoners way too much. It makes me cringe when I read comments about murderers and 90% of the comments are like "Man this guy is going to get raped sooo badly!" or "This guy just threw away his life!" not realizing these murderers don't care.