Not when we are arguing about "most."

And the 72 of 3,002 is 2.5%. Even if the 11% were true, as I said, it's meaningless for your argument and supports mine heavily.

Your avatar inspired me to go get McDonalds. Back now.

I kind of want to avoid going off tangent again but I have nothing to add to the death penalty debate so I will just post one little teaser about another issue. This is what that Cotton NRA guy had to say about the Charleston shooting:

"He [Rev. Pinckney] voted against concealed-carry. Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue."

Whoop there it is. Maybe this dude wouldn't have killed all those people and be on death row if things were a little different. Not talking about the NRA dude's ideal world either. I'm too full of McDoubles now to argue so have a nice evening

Tell me where in my argument I said anything about prison being worse than death or said that I held any sympathy for a killer? Please, point out even one example.

My argument is, and has always been, that the death penalty doesn't provide any benefit to society, and because our legal system isn't 100% accurate it cannot be trusted with deciding if someone gets to live or die. I'll also add that I think our Justice system should be above emotional reactions such as revenge.

You don't seem to have much of a case against my argument, so I'm interested to see what you post next.

See I would have liked to focus on the innocents debate, but when you argue it's not beneficial to society it makes me roll my eyes. Why punish anyone then? It's not beneficial to society after all.

You're basically saying the feelings of those who lost a loved one shouldn't matter, and that's the exact type of mentality the killer's had. Just saying.

Care to point out where I said anything about the murderers emotions?

Moving back to your first point, you don't need to kill someone to do that. Kidnapping and robbery also fall into the catagory of taking away another persons rights, why aren't we killing robbers?

When did we start arguing about most? I'm not arguing about most. I never was arguing about most. I've explicitly stated multiple times that I wasn't arguing about most.

Do I need to insert my grumpy face again because you have been doing nothing but putting words in my mouth and being ridiculous?

I gave you a bucket of talking points...you are the one who focused on prison v death. I have tried to broaden the topic multiple times, yet you brushed it off. I have even asked for reasons to be for it outside of Hammurabi's Code-esque reasons, yet you've given me nothing.

You know, this is kind of off topic but I've actually always wanted to ask this:

What's wrong with revenge anyway? Don't give me a movie line too ("Revenge will consume you! Dun dun dun!!!"). What's wrong with it? Revenge is a dish best served cold, and Boston gets very, very cold. Revenge is good for the human soul.

OMG! This just gave me a great idea. We have been doing this all wrong.

We should put these criminals in life sentence then feed them only MCDONALD products. That way they get cancer!

Its perfect!!!!

I just think it's funny that I (originally) said almost everyone prefers life over death, and you dispute me, and then show me a link that pretty much proves my point even better than I could have (cause honestly some of my sources are really outdated or too general). This is why I would rather debate death penalty reform because all the facts are on my side otherwise.

There was actually a McDonald's shooting in San Diego in the 80s and the shooter's wife actually sued McDonald's claiming it was Mickey D's fault he did it. Not kidding.