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Nintendo has dominated the handheld market this generation and isn't doing record breakingly bad with the Wii U. maybe their weakest console ever, but there have been plenty of video game consoles in the past both sold LESS and had worse game libraries and quality

 

Nintendo will be fine. Nintendo will not release the NX until like 2017, they just want some positive press and for people to know that they are looking towards long term goals rather than floundering in short term ones. and they have the cash to have that attitude

all I know is that people love to point out how poorly Nintendo was doing in the Gamecube era, yet they managed to profit MORE than Sony in the period of time, despite the PS2 being the best selling console of all time.

Nintendo financially probably isn't doing that amazing, but fortunately years of success have put them in a good position to be able to take risks like they did with the Wii U. 

who defines 'ready' for a generation anyway? no way does the NX come out in 2016, so actually it will be about appropriately timed their next release. make no mistake, the console NX will have pretty good graphics, Nintendo will not repeat that mistake. the only reason the Wii U failed graphically is because Nintendo took a relatively lazy approach where they used similar infracstructure/specs doubled in comparison to the Wii and focused on the controller more than the system itself

       I will point out that you could argue that Nintendo wasn't 'ready' for the next generation after relatively failing to get a good market share with the Gamcube, and then releasing a low spec system compared to its competitors (the Wii) but look how that turned out

these things are quite hard to predict because consumers, especially casual gamers, are insanely hard to predict, and when you have a very popular brand like Nintendo its easy to get consumers on board but also easy to lose them as they have such strong nostalgia and expectations 



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100% agree

Sony did it right with the ps3 -> ps4.

You cant just switch to a new console if the old one failed (sega style). The customers wont thrust you anymore.
Nintendo NEED to solve wii u problems before they release a new console. Bring third party support back on the system (they promised it). At least the big games like assassins creed, cod, fifa, need for speed, gta and co NEED to be on the system. Bring your own big brand to the system (fzero, Metroid Prime).
Even if they would loose money with the wii u now,the sucsessor would benefit from the good wii us reputation.

Its almost impossible to make sucsess with a console if the previous console failed.
Yeah wii told me wrong, but wii wasnt bought mainly by "real" gamer. The NX will 100% fail by "real" gamers, so the only 2 possibilities is the nx fails like the wii u or it will be a casual machine again (probl. no metroid and co but games like wii sports, just dance and co).
No matter which way, nx will be a failure for us ("real" gamers)



kitler53 said:

People won't buy Nintendo in droves to because it won't play GTA.
People won't buy Nintendo in droves to because it won't play Batman.
People won't buy Nintendo in droves to because it won't play CoD.

 

nintendo is the gaming version of the old flip phones.  there are soo many things it doesn't do that is now considered standard that as a consumer it's hard to even consider it viable piece of hardware.  most people wouldn't want it as the cost of free. 

a games machine that doesn't play games,..  is not a winning strategy.   i'll never change your mind but you are a fool to think otherwise. 

It's you again! It seems to really bother you that Nintendo isn't done for.

This time you came with a strawman argument. And your conclusion... oh my. You are seriously insinuating that Nintendo games don't count as games.



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RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:

People won't buy Nintendo in droves to because it won't play GTA.
People won't buy Nintendo in droves to because it won't play Batman.
People won't buy Nintendo in droves to because it won't play CoD.

 

nintendo is the gaming version of the old flip phones.  there are soo many things it doesn't do that is now considered standard that as a consumer it's hard to even consider it viable piece of hardware.  most people wouldn't want it as the cost of free. 

a games machine that doesn't play games,..  is not a winning strategy.   i'll never change your mind but you are a fool to think otherwise. 

It's you again! It seems to really bother you that Nintendo isn't done for.

This time you came with a strawman argument. And your conclusion... oh my. You are seriously insinuating that Nintendo games don't count as games.

and you counter yet again with a deflection argument.  sometimes i wonder why i even try talking to you.



kitler53 said:

and you counter yet again with a deflection argument.  sometimes i wonder why i even try talking to you.

Deflection? You implied that Nintendo games don't count as games. What do you expect after something like that? That anybody will say that you have a point?

Earlier today in another thread I addressed your fallacy. That wasn't deflection either.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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I have said it before and I will say it again. Nintendo is done in the console space and they will learn it the hard way with NX.



MoHasanie said:
zorg1000 said:

Having a powerful console really doesn't benefit Nintendo since barely any of their games require powerful specs to look great and the fact that there has never in the history of Nintendo hardware been a AAA western multiplat system seller, it's safe to say they have no bearing on the success/failure of Nintendo hardware.

Nintendo does have an excellent software output, the problem is their resources are spread out by 2 separate platforms. Here is Nintendo-published software output for this year in America.

Nintendo is averaging 2-3 published titles per month and that holds true for 2013/2014 as well. When u add in Japanese support for the handheld, child/family friendly support that both sides get along with indie support and Virtual Console release then ur looking at 100+ titles per year. Nintendo also doesn't need a new controller gimmick, they need a simple to understand controller that can be used by pretty much anyone, like the Wii Remote, something they backtracked on with Wii U which returned to the dual analog, 8 face button, 4 shoulder design that is only understood by longtime gamers.

None of their games currently require poweful specs but in the future they might. And graphics are always improving and its quite important to gaming. Nintendo being the world's largest video game company should also change with the times. Plus Nintendo should still have hope for third party support and certainly keep third party games in mind when designing the NX. 

And although you're right that Nintendo makes quite a lot of games, making games for 2 platforms will continue to be a problem unless Nintendo makes one machine which is both a handheld and console  (to me this is unlikely since Nintendo's handhelds still sell well). Perhaps if both the console and handheld were struggling then Nintendo would make one machine, but right now, I don't think stubborn Nintendo will do that. 

Yes in the future they may, so when that time comes they will release more powerful hardware, but right here right now Nintendo has no need for vastly more powerful hardware.

If u have listened to anything Iwata & Miyamoto have said recently than u would have an idea of what their upcoming strategy is. Iwata has stated how they want their handheld & console to be more like "brothers" similar to Apple and their iOS devices while also adequately "absorbing" the Wii U architecture in order to have a seamless transition like they with Gamecube & Wii. Miyamoto also made a sly hint recently about games being playable on either device so it's pretty clear Nintendo is going to have a "family of devices" with a unified software library.



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Mystro-Sama said:
SpokenTruth said:
I really hate to agree with the OP.



Which is partially why I don't.


Even though you don't have an opposing argument you will just disagree with me anyways, right? Ah, ok then. lol

Oh I have one.  It's just not going to worth posting it.  There is tennis and the there is wall ball.



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mountaindewslave said:

all I know is that people love to point out how poorly Nintendo was doing in the Gamecube era, yet they managed to profit MORE than Sony in the period of time, despite the PS2 being the best selling console of all time.

Nintendo made those profits from Gameboy not Gamecube.



I want to hear more details about the NX before I agree or disagree with this. But you make good points, those were the 5 mistakes they made with the Wii U (well they made more than 5)

But just because they made those mistakes with the Wii U that doesn't mean they will make them with the NX. If you look at video game history then you will see that companies have gone from last place to first place really quickly.

For whatever reason, I still don't feel Nintendo will be able to sell 3rd parties on the NX and market the thing well.