Dusk said:
archer9234 said:
Dusk said:
archer9234 said:
Dusk said:
Too_Talls said:
I'll throw out a general comment of fan boyism. SOME people will rule out buying their brand of choice in spite of anything. Notice how whenever there is a good anouncment on one side, the other side bands together to downplay it?
In any case I chose Never because nintendo consoles have been a poor choice for general entertainment for years now. I used to get all brands but from the wii generation, Nintendo Stopped caring about parity as the wii's games looked like Game cube games. That was the begininng of the end in third party support. And I grow tired of Nintendo's rinse and repeat reahashing of their old games.
The same thing happened with the wii u, but it's far wose. a console that's support has been dropped in such a short time and a new one released in the middle of a generation has doom written all over it.
Even if they manage a system more powerful than the ps4 and regain the 3rd party support they were lacking, I'd consider it a dead investment. For one thing, I believe I have bought my last game console. With each generation it feels more and more of a waste to get a console over a pc.
I don't know how else to say it, but I honestly don't see it being a worthwhile investment.
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That's my point though. It's far too soon to say whether it's going to be a worth while investment or not. We know nothing about it.
As for the PC thing, I actually went the complete opposite direction as you. I found keeping up with PC gaming became far more expensive than it's worth. Gotta upgrade the GPU every couple years just to be able to play the newer games reasonibly, or at all in some cases, plus upgrade the RAM. Every 5 years or so you pretty much need to rebuild a brand new gaming PC from the MOBO up. The other option is to go all out on a high end gaming system that will likely set you back 2000-3000 bucks but should have you set for quite a while. In the end I ended up spending far more on my gaming PC than I did on the games I played on it. Sure you can make a very basic gaming PC for pretty cheap, slightly more than a console, but it won't have the longivity either, then you fall into the nearly constant upgrading. That's my experience with PC gaming anyway. I was very heavy into PC gaming for the better part of 20 years, that's why I have happily fallen back to console gaming lol.
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What 5 years. I've have componets going on 7 years now. And you don't need the top of the line card. I use the GTX770 for GTA V and the like. And my system cost $1200, when new. Nowhere near that $3000. With 24GB RAM and buying the I7 when it was brand new. Yeah its slower than whats out now. But it can still play top of the line stuff.
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I was waiting for this argument. If you have a GTX 770 that is not 7 years old, nor is the i7. I'm glad you have components that you have had for 7 years... like your tower and DVD drive? The cables maybe? A fan? So just from the two things you mentioned, a GTX770 was generally about $400 when it came out, now you can find it for a bit over $200. Depending on your i7, it can range anywhere from $300 up to like $1400. So either way, within that time period, 7 years, you have spent between $500 and $1800 depending when you purchased your tech and which tech you got. Now, read what I wrote before. So you have at least spent the same as a console in that time on your PC. Tell me how I'm wrong again?
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Wasn't your argument that PC costs more than a console. And your replacing it around the same time span. So every generation of console. I'm spending $1200. I treated it as a long term investment. My i7 was bought in 2011. It wasn't the top of the line. I got the 2010 releases. And my RAM wasn't changed since 2009. Never got rid of Windows 7, since 2009. And not changing the other components like BD drive, case, fans, usb ports add up too. My graphics card was forced to buy it. The GPU failed. Or I would of stayed with the 560. Yes. I spent $1200 in total for the PC build originally. But haven't exceed pricing of consoles. For the same amount of generational time.
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How do you figure? You spent 1200 when you built you PC right? Okay. So that's over twice the price of a console, so it should at that point last you 10 years. but then with that you had to replace your GPU (makes no difference what the reasons for you buying a new GPU), plus you got your CPU and whatever else you added. I already went through the numbers. So 1200 + $500 (we'll go with the low end just for fun) so it's now at 1700 over 7 years which is about $700 more than if you were to buy a new console every 5 years (or two generations, or this last gen that has lasted about 7-8 years). That's still at a minimum that you have spent on it. When this computer sees its limitations in probably another 3-4 years or so, you will VERY LIKELY have to buy a new mobo and probably RAM, and CPU because the socket will have changed.
When I was gaming on my PC I didn't think it was all that expensive either. Till I started keeping receipts and tallying them up and realized just how much it really was. HD crapps out, there goes 100 bucks, but it's only 100 bucks right? GPU burns out or isn't performing well enough (they don't have that long of life spans after all) so it's only $250 for a decent mid range card. Not a big deal, only $250. Crap, DVD drive crapped out. Luckily they are cheap, no prob. Go for Blu-Ray instead. $50. Gotta add more RAM, new game requires 8gigs instead of 4, (or 12 instead of 8, whatever) there goes another $50. It all adds up, but since it tends to be smaller amounts here and there it's easy to over look.
Yes, my argument is that a PC costs more than a console, certainly it does if it is meant for gaming.
There is of course the argument that games can be far cheaper on a PC than a console. That's very true. Although, for me personally, when a game comes out I generally want it right away if I'm quite interested in it so I don't really end up saving any money unless it's a game I wasn't that interested in anyway and can wait for sales for it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not shitting on PC gaming at all. It's a hobby, a life style and since most people build their own they often have a bit of a connection with them. But it is generally more expensive, especially if you really are into gaming on it.
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