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Forums - Sales Discussion - 5.5 Million PS3s Shipped

larry on 16 May 2007
FishyJoe said:
larry said:
Dolla Dolla said:
ioi said:

As of March 31st

5.5m PS3 produced

3.6m sold to retailers

~3.0m sold to customers


600,000 on shelves, 1.9 million in warehouses.

By the way, larry, if you want people to believe you (which very few do), you might want to post links for proof. No one can find these numbers you keep spouting. They seem to be dreamed up.

by march 31st,2007

5.5 million ps3s were shipped to retailers .

around 3.1 million out of 5.5 m were sold to consumers.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/06q4_sony.pdf

official word from SONY.

DO NOT ARGUE

FIXED

6 m were shipped by april 12,2007

FIXED


Larry, just stop. You are making a complete fool out of yourself.

Here is the direct quote from the financial report:

Production shipments of hardware and software units are counted upon shipment of the products from manufacturing bases. Sales of such products are recognized when the products are delivered to customers.

Manufacturing bases = factory

Customers = Retailers


products from the maufacturing bases

means FOB/freight in transit.

It doesnt mean products sitting in warehouses.

customers=end purchasers who are YOU and ME .



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FishyJoe on 16 May 2007
larry said:

ONEDA also said 5.5 million units.

but pcworld /some gar**** website reported that a large chunk out of that 5.5 m were at the warehouse which is BS.

 

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/06q4_sony.pdf

official word from SONY.

DO NOT ARGUE


Larry, Larry, Larry, do you know how to read???

Production shipments of hardware and software units are counted upon shipment of the products from manufacturing bases



FishyJoe on 16 May 2007

I give up. There is no point in debating with an irrational person.



gentian on 16 May 2007

You know what, I'm going to go with the Chief Financial Officer of Sony's quote (and a financial journalists reporting of it.) They've made 5.5 Million and have sold (and shipped to retailers) 3.6 Million. Sony might conceivably think that their customers are people like Walmart, Amazon etc, not you and me.



larry on 16 May 2007

To Sony, shipped has always meant 'sold' and shipped to retailers,'" Karakker notes. "Microsoft views 'sold' as what has been sold to retailers but could be sitting on pallets in warehouses or stacked on store shelves. 'Sold' to Sony has always meant what the consumer has actually purchased." http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=93548

that is what shipped means to SONY.

SOLD TO SONY always meant what the customer has actually purchased



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rocketpig on 16 May 2007
larry said:

products from the maufacturing bases

means FOB/freight in transit.

It doesnt mean products sitting in warehouses.

customers=end purchasers who are YOU and ME .


Why do I get the feeling that we're all talking to this:




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larry on 16 May 2007
gentian said:
You know what, I'm going to go with the Chief Financial Officer of Sony's quote (and a financial journalists reporting of it.) They've made 5.5 Million and have sold (and shipped to retailers) 3.6 Million. Sony might conceivably think that their customers are people like Walmart, Amazon etc, not you and me.

SONY sold 5.5 m units to retailers.

3.6 m of them made it to the stores by march 31,2007.

the remaining 1.9 in accounting terms are referred as FREIGHT IN TRANSIT...which means that they are being purchased by the retailers . The purchase is considered from the the time the freight reaches the retailers/stores.



Sir Cedric on 16 May 2007

ioi said:  The remaining 1.9 million were either sitting in warehouses or en route to stores, leaving as much as $1.1 billion in inventory.


"The remaining 1.9 million were either sitting in warehouses or en route to stores, leaving as much as $1.1 billion in inventory."               http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2007/gb20070516_346923.htm

En route to stores = shipped to retailers = sold.



gentian on 16 May 2007

To be fair to Larry the following is on the nail. "3.6 m of them made it to the stores by march 31,2007." Sony seems to count their sales when they fulfil them (i.e. get them into their retailers hands.) So we agree that number was 3.6M at March 31. I can't see anything which says they have had the other 1.9 Million ordered by retailers though. I mean, they have definitely manufactured 5.5 Million. I haven't seen anything to suggest those 1.9 Million have been bought by retailers.



gentian on 16 May 2007

Sir Cedric: Yes, En Route To Stores = sold (or at least ordered.) But nobody outside Sony seems to know what percentage of the 1.9 Million is ordered and what percentage has been made in the hope of future orders. It COULD be all 1.9 million (as they don't count the sale till it's fulfilled.) But it could be 0. Probably somewhere in between.