Bell_Cranel said:
True hahah but Nintendo probably won't listen to me :( |
Hopefully they don't do their "own thing" again, as it could be the demise of the company.
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Bell_Cranel said:
True hahah but Nintendo probably won't listen to me :( |
Hopefully they don't do their "own thing" again, as it could be the demise of the company.
I think NX is going to be a bigger change than what some Nintendo fans expect.
Personally I think huge changes are happening within Nintendo right now and they have accepted that their old business model will not work for them in the future. I think they have accepted this internally probably within the last year or so, but it was brewing before that.
That even goes for the same ol' "just making a Playstation-killer! But with Nintendo games! And market it!".
That is also outdated thinking. Things are changing.
Going Android could be a game changer for them with third parties too. I think third parties themselves will eventually start to revolt against the traditional console model. Traditional home console games have become too expensive to make and if one flops it can sink a studio. Nintendo for once might actually be ahead of the curve on something.
I could very easily and honestly see a company like Square-Enix saying "y'know instead of PS4/XBox One we've decided to make Final Fantasy VII/VIII/IX Remakes for the NX and Android platforms instead".
PS4 has an instal base of maybe 40-50 million in a year or two. Android has hundreds of millions of users. As Android phones/tablets get more powerful better and better games will start showing up and if NX has some early success, developers can easily add in physical controls to many of those games (that's like 3-4 days worth of programming, super easy).
super6646 said:
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Hopefully they don't as they really need to modernize some stuff. I don't wanna buy another console at launch and let it sit there a year and a half until another game i want comes out.
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I cannot stress it enough that I cannot live without backwards compat, my PC having it forever is a main reason why it's my main platform, Nintendo does right making sure theirs can play previous titles and there's no way I'm buying the same game from a previous gen on the next system.
Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.
1) Everything needs to be marketed well. Wii and WiiU marketing was painfully different and WiiU's marketing made it very confusing. Was it a new console or controller? Basically, this one is a no-brainer for any product launch.
2) No. Nintendo needs to focus on Nintendo quality and gaming styles. Not copy-the-rest as that won't work. While I agree Nintendo should court 3rd parties to help broaden their library, they won't win the core unless they drop their brand entirely and then what would be the point? MSony can continue to have the me-too systems. Nintendo needs to remain different without alienating 3rd parties. That's a very hard task though.
3) Nope nope nope. 2016 is their launch year. 3DS is 5 at that point and WiiU is 4. 4 years of greatly under-performing in sales. Sucks as the console is awesome with a large number of fantastic games. But, they lost the me-too games from 3rd parties. So its time to create a new experience. I firmly believe this will be a hybrid/crossover type of device that will have portable and home console focuses with strong mobile inclusion as well. E32016 is going to be interesting. I'm planning on going if possible.
4) Console don't appear to be dropping in prices as rapidly any more. Gamers seem to be more willing to spend $300+ if the games exist. However, lower pricing is part of Nintendo's hardware focus always. I expect $300 to $350 for the home console portion and about $200 for the portables. I don't see Nintendo swaying from that as its worked well for their current products as well as MSony devices.
5) This goes back to #1 really and possibly the name chosen for WiiU as a great number of accessories for Wii were titled "Wii insertname" So I doubt this issue will be repeated.
6) No. Use mobile and pc like hardware. They need to build off of the latest technologies being used in the marketplace to allow as simple as possible reuse of game code. However, it can't be like PS4XB1 as they will be hindered from lowering costs due to not being able to increase effeciency with die sizes, etc... or at least it won't be as dramatic as it historically has been for gaming consoles. They need custom designed architectures that are based on x86 and ARM hardware. Not "on-shelf" parts.
7) I think Nintendo may drop BC on the next hardware. It may be just too costly this time around due to hardware differences. Instead we'll see an increase in VC similar to how WiiU can download the Metroid Prime Trilogy game.. i.e. a Wii game... for a very low cost.
8) Yeah don't mess up. However, with cash on hand Nintendo has, they can continue to put out WiiU levels of "failures" and remain a profitable company forever.
I'm with you minus backwards compatibility and pricing.
"So if someone has a large library of Wii U games, and the NX is backwards compatible, it'll entice them to upgrade to the next gen system."
If someone has a large library of Wii U games, they're getting an NX regardless of whether its BC or not. They're a Nintendo fan. Nintendo has always been tied to logistics, either because the hardware is very similar (gamecube/wii) or because they want to capitalise on a big userbase (wii) Wii U doesn't have the broad userbase and I hope for nintendo's sake that NX doesn't resemble wii U in hardware
In regard to the price $299 is not much money to pour into hardware and I don't think the core market have any issue with a $399 pricetag and price will of course fall overtime. If I was Nintnedo I would do as much as I could with $399 otherwise we probably won't be seeing a big difference between NX and PS4 in 2017, just a small one.
| teigaga said: I'm with you minus backwards compatibility and pricing. |
Its still better to than not. Something I dont like about the XB1 is no backwards compatibility, this is something only nintendo offers.
Nintendo should just wash their hands of the hardware pissing match.
NX is a SOFTWARE ecosystem.
You want a powerful console? Fine, there's a higher spec NX. You want something cheap? Great. There's a lower spec NX. You want a portable? Yup, we have that too, NX Tablet. etc. etc. etc.
Same games play across all the devices, effects and resolution/frame rate can scale up and down (PC has been doing it for 30 years+).
Shut the fuck up about hardware. Pick the one you want. We have games to sell.
That would be my philosophy if I'm Nintendo. Stop playing the game by Sony and MS' rules, they're not working for you, so change the rules.
Adopting Android could be a very smart maneuver too, getting ahead of Sony/MS and embracing mobile development could (note I said could) be a large scale game changer for Nintendo.
| Soundwave said: Nintendo should just wash their hands of the hardware pissing match. NX is a SOFTWARE ecosystem. You want a powerful console? Fine, there's a higher spec NX. You want something cheap? Great. There's a lower spec NX. You want a portable? Yup, we have that too, NX Tablet. etc. etc. etc. Same games play across all the devices, effects and resolution/frame rate can scale up and down (PC has been doing it for 30 years+). Shut the fuck up about hardware. Pick the one you want. We have games to sell. That would be my philosophy if I'm Nintendo. Stop playing the game by Sony and MS' rules, they're not working for you, so change the rules. |
That's even worse then what they're doing now, splitting up their fanbase. Also Nintendo isn't in any position to change any rules. They're not powerful enough in the console market to shift everything around and make a new standard. They need to try to eat away at Sony and Microsoft's fanbases before they think about anything else.
super6646 said:
That's even worse then what they're doing now, splitting up their fanbase. Also Nintendo isn't in any position to change any rules. They're not powerful enough in the console market to shift everything around and make a new standard. They need to try to eat away at Sony and Microsoft's fanbases before they think about anything else. |
The rules are going to change with NX. Not because of Nintendo per say, but because it's already happening. Nintendo just might be the smart one in embracing the sea tide change rather than trying to swim upstream. The industry is changing, hard core gamers are the most blind to it though because they don't want to see it.
This formula of graphics improving 10 fold every generation and developers being asked to make games for new hardware of such high visual fidelity for the same $50-$60 could no go on forever either.
IMO a lot of devs, especially Japanese devs are going to say "thanks, but no thanks" to a Playstation 5. Western devs too.
I think this is in a lot of ways the last real traditional game cycle (that's existed since the 1970s). Mobile is changing too much.