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Goodnightmoon on 27 May 2015
daredevil.shark said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Bloodborne: 92 on meta
Super Mario 3D World: 93 
Smash Bros 4: 92 
Bayonetta 2: 91

Is not.

And Bloodborne can also be called "just another Souls game" as its core mechanics are the same as Demon Souls, and is quite similar to Dark Souls 1 and 2 too. Just because it has a different name, it doesn´t make it something new and fresh, it´s the same concept, gameplay and the same developer, the game was popular on the first place for being part of the Souls saga. And viceversa, just because a game is called the same way is not just the same game, Mario 3D world is not just another Mario, it has little to do with Galaxy (the previous one) , and Bayo 2 is the second game of the saga, not just "another Bayonetta"

Same can be called super mario / smash bros games. Because they are just another mario game. This is the most hillarious post I have ever read.

... Of course, have you read the comment that I was answering? He was telling that Nintendo games are just "another mario" and all that stuff while he was defending Bloodborne.

That is the reason why I was telling that, while bloodborne is a briliant game, anyone could say that is just another souls game, the same happens with mario.

But the thing is, the differences between Mario world - Mario 64 - Mario Galaxy -Mario 3D world are bigger than the differences between souls games. That makes the argument even more invalid.



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GameMasterPC on 27 May 2015
jlmurph2 said:
GameMasterPC said:

They had Driveclub and LBP3. Driveclub didn't launch well, but currently its my second favourite PS4 exclusives after all the updates and patches. LBP3 is considered the best in the series in terms of gameplay. So yeah, they did deliver quite a few good games during holiday 2014.


Those weren't the "biggest exclusives of the year" like you said Sony always does for the holidays. Infamous Second Son was. And LBP3 isn't exclusive to PS4. And if you're including games that are on PS3 too then TLOU Remastered was the biggest exclusive.

Sony's 2014 holiday was weak. Destiny and GTA V saved it.

Infamous: Second Son was the best-selling, but before its release anyone who looked up the sales of LBP and Infamous would have dexpected LBP3 to sell better than Infamous: Second Son by a big margin.

Also, if LBP3 isn't exclusive to PS4 because its on PS3, by the same logic we can say that Forza Horizon 2 isn't XB1 exclusive because its on 360 ;)



daredevil.shark on 27 May 2015
Goodnightmoon said:

... Of course, have you read the comment that I was answering? He was telling that Nintendo games are just "another mario" and all that stuff while he was defending Bloodborne.

That is what I was telling that, while bloodborne is a briliant game, anyone could say that is just another soul game, the same happens with mario.

But the thing is, the differences between Mario world - Mario 64 - Mario Galaxy -Mario 3D world are bigger than the differences bettween souls games.


To each his own. I see all mario games same as its predecessors. No difference. While I loved playing mariokart wii; when I picked Wii U version at my friends house I saw no difference (except graphics). Bloodborne plays very differently. Its not souls game expansion.

 

And another thing is; making good and critically acclaimed games isnt enough in this age. You gotta sell them. And you need to sell systems. Unless you sell them you dont get money. And if you dont get money you wont be making thsoe quality games in "future" anymore.



jlmurph2 on 27 May 2015
GameMasterPC said:
jlmurph2 said:


Those weren't the "biggest exclusives of the year" like you said Sony always does for the holidays. Infamous Second Son was. And LBP3 isn't exclusive to PS4. And if you're including games that are on PS3 too then TLOU Remastered was the biggest exclusive.

Sony's 2014 holiday was weak. Destiny and GTA V saved it.

Infamous: Second Son was the best-selling, but before its release anyone who looked up the sales of LBP and Infamous would have dexpected LBP3 to sell better than Infamous: Second Son by a big margin.

Also, if LBP3 isn't exclusive to PS4 because its on PS3, by the same logic we can say that Forza Horizon 2 isn't XB1 exclusive because its on 360 ;)

Plenty of people already say that. But if you wanna go there and keep it, it doesn't take away how weak Sony's holiday 2014 was compared to the rest of the year.



taus90 on 27 May 2015
starcraft said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Sony has won over the trust of gamers last gen, their exclusive games over the course of the generation blew away Microsofts imo, especially at the end.  Also Wii U has the weakest library out of the three, idk why people act like third parties don't count.

You don't buy a console at the beginning of the generation just for the games out then, you buy it for what the console will be by the end of the generation.

This has always felt like a bit of a misnomer. Pound for pound the Xbox 360 had a tonne of amazing games, able to compete with just about any system, ever.

It was still releasing great games up until last year. 

WHAT!!!?

Later end of the 7 gen (2011) I switched from 360 over to PS3 and the library compared to 360 was far superior in ever sense possible. Could you point me to what games i missed on 360 in terms of "pound for pound" exclusives? when i was playing games like The last of US, Starhawk, Puppeteer, Beyond, GT6, Uncharted 3, Killzone 3, Infamous 2, Journey, Little big planet 2, little big planet karting, MAG, Resistance 3, Sly 4, Ni No Kuni, GoW:A, Twisted Metal.... and these are AAA games I bought and also titles mentioned are all of post 2011.

so I would love to understand what i missed on 360 since 2011?? besides Gears, Halo and Forza



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jlmurph2 on 27 May 2015
daredevil.shark said:
Goodnightmoon said:

... Of course, have you read the comment that I was answering? He was telling that Nintendo games are just "another mario" and all that stuff while he was defending Bloodborne.

That is what I was telling that, while bloodborne is a briliant game, anyone could say that is just another soul game, the same happens with mario.

But the thing is, the differences between Mario world - Mario 64 - Mario Galaxy -Mario 3D world are bigger than the differences bettween souls games.


To each his own. I see all mario games same as its predecessors. No difference. While I loved playing mariokart wii; when I picked Wii U version at my friends house I saw no difference (except graphics). Bloodborne plays very differently. Its not souls game expansion.

 

And another thing is; making good and critically acclaimed games isnt enough in this age. You gotta sell them. And you need to sell systems. Unless you sell them you dont get money. And if you dont get money you wont be making thsoe quality games in "future" anymore.

Mario games have pretty good sales. Considering the low install base. Its just that those are the only games that sell a lot.



walsufnir on 27 May 2015
Burek said:
walsufnir said:
Protendo said:
Microsoft not being to turn this around would be the best thing for the industry.

It'd send a clear message that DRM/Always Online/Requiring Gimmicks, are not the way to go. If they win, they will just try again. Let Microsoft eat humble pie. Thankfully, all Sony needs to do is a $100 price drop and they will win.


Yeah, because with Sony you don't have DRM, right? Seriously, in the current state where the consoles are in need of online connection for patches and updates operating a console without internet is close to no fun. But MS is the bad guy here, sure, and Sony the Angel sent from heaven.

Btw, Sony already is winning.

I can't believe how people easily forget what Microsoft tried to do and argue a completely different point.

True, having a console without internet is close to no fun, but MS tried to make its console non-functional without a daily internet connnection. Also, there are people (and a decent percentage I presume) that can actually have fun without internet at all. They buy a disc, play it and enjoy themselves. Sure, no updates and no online multiplayer, but unless the game is a crapfest without updates like AC: Unity (for example), they can still have a ton of fun.

Microsoft tried to block them from having fun completely without internet, to the extent that the physical disc would not work at all.

That is the difference --- nobody is arguing DRM, but physical disc DRM and treatment of all customers like potential criminals.


I don't say that what MS wanted is good in any way but people are intentionally ignoring the problems the current consoles already have while bashing something MS already changed for Xbone and which never saw a light. This is what I think is strange in such discussions.



daredevil.shark on 27 May 2015
jlmurph2 said:

Mario games have pretty good sales. Considering the low install base. Its just that those are the only games that sell a lot.


I pointed to games like bayonetta. As for mario games; they are just nostalgia for me. Games that are called "cultural phenomenon" are no longer released in Nintendo home systems.



Goodnightmoon on 27 May 2015
daredevil.shark said:
Goodnightmoon said:

... Of course, have you read the comment that I was answering? He was telling that Nintendo games are just "another mario" and all that stuff while he was defending Bloodborne.

That is what I was telling that, while bloodborne is a briliant game, anyone could say that is just another soul game, the same happens with mario.

But the thing is, the differences between Mario world - Mario 64 - Mario Galaxy -Mario 3D world are bigger than the differences bettween souls games.


To each his own. I see all mario games same as its predecessors. No difference. While I loved playing mariokart wii; when I picked Wii U version at my friends house I saw no difference (except graphics). Bloodborne plays very differently. Its not souls game expansion.

And another thing is; making good and critically acclaimed games isnt enough in this age. You gotta sell them. And you need to sell systems. Unless you sell them you dont get money. And if you dont get money you wont be making thsoe quality games in "future" anymore.

How can you see the same on Mario Shunshine, Mario Galaxy and Mario 3D world? Really, I can´t understand it. You need to be extremely superficial to think that way or someone that didn´t played any of those games.

Bloodborne plays VERY differetly? lol, is just more quick, is like Demon Souls. Bloodborne is everything but original, it has the same mechanics and the level design is quite similar, the only massive change is the artstyle. The gameplay is Demon Souls with a gun and more faster.

And BTW, Nintendo sell TONS of videogames even with the WiiU failing. They have already 8 milion sellers on the console, including MK8 with 5m sold, Smash with 3.3m  or M3DW at 3m. They are earning money of all those games, just saying.  People don´t want the console, but the people LOVE their games, look how much they sell on 3DS, is crazy.









jlmurph2 on 27 May 2015
daredevil.shark said:
jlmurph2 said:

Mario games have pretty good sales. Considering the low install base. Its just that those are the only games that sell a lot.


I pointed to games like bayonetta. As for mario games; they are just nostalgia for me. Games that are called "cultural phenomenon" are no longer released in Nintendo home systems.


True. Can't remember the last big new Nintendo IP hit that turned into a popular franchise with multiple entries. I may be overlooking but I really can't think of it.

But I do see his point when saying Bloodborne is another Souls game. To me it looks like they're all in the same family.