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ArchangelMadzz on 25 May 2015
DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:


When I hear drivel such as that then it does come into question, as you obviously have no idea what abortion is like. Please talk to someone who's had one and they will tell you how much of a wonderful experience it was.. or may describe it as one of the most traumatic experiences of their life but I guess it varies from person to person..

The day after pill doesn't always work and you may not always know. Couples can use protection (hell my sister got pregnant on the pill) and still get pregnant. Why should someone entire life be disrupted by a mistake that can be ammended that doesn't harm a human being?(other than the mother)

No I'm not allowing someone to regulate what is or isn't life, Science, you know, hat thing you're using right now, tells you that it is not human life until it can survive as an independant being on it's own. Which is why after 24 weeks an abortion is NOT allowed because it is human. 

That is because you regard yourself as superior... have I said abortion is a wonderfull experience??? Yet there are people that take multiple, so it certainly is easier solution for several people.

A lot of people had pregnancy using protection, all of them gave birth to functional citizens and none of their lifes were screwed by it... but I bet all the aborted fetus got their life screwed.

Science is often wrong and changing terms... mind you that there were cases of fetus being born with way less than 24 weeks right? So that boundaries is still being pushed... but yes let's say that because it can't survive on it's own it isn't a life... why don't we just drop all babies on the streets and see if they can survive on their own (yes I streatching... but for someone with such high knowledge as you, you probably choose the words you wanted to use).

I don't regard myself as superior, if I tell someone they suck at singing it doesn't mean I'm beyonce. 

Yes, they gave birth to it because they knew they could. And I support that fully that's why it's called PRO CHOICE.

Fetus' have survived being born less than 24 weeks? And people have smoked for 80 years and not suffered at all from it, I guess we should re think the whole smoking being harmful thing?

And I'm not even going to acknowledge that last part because you clearly know how ridiculous that was and I'm not sure why you wasted the energy to put it.



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BreedinBull on 25 May 2015

I'm pro-choice, but I wish the methods (for later terms) weren't so ... messy.



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SanAndreasX on 25 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
SanAndreasX said:
Ka-pi96 said:
 

9 months of pregnancy vs 18 years of financial support?

Besides,  you completely ignored the more important part. Men can care about their children you know, it's actually quite common for fathers to love their children...


Physiology trumps "feels."

Physiology trumps finances.

P.S. I am a man and have raised two kids.

Just remember this came from someone saying men shouldn't have ANY say at all.

Not trying to say they should have more say than the woman or anything stupid like that, not trying to trump anything. Just saying they should get a say. No way should a woman be able to get an abortion without at least consulting the father and talking to him about it. He at the very least should have the right to know that she wants an abortion and the chance to talk her out of it. Whether he's successful or not is another matter, but he should at least be given the chance.


As it stands, there are absolutely no laws that say a man cannot voice his opinion that he would like to keep the baby.  He can shout it out from the rooftops with a bullhorn until he turns blue and passes out, if that's what he wants. If an abortion occurs, he can voice his disagreement with the procedure subject to the limits prescribed by laws against defaming another person.

The methods the man has to actually obstruct an abortion are merely limited.

If she tells him in no uncertain tems that she does not agree to carry the baby to term, then what?



pepharytheworm on 25 May 2015
sundin13 said:
pepharytheworm said:
Nothing more hilarious then hearing a bunch of males opinions on human bodily function they can't perform. Want to talk about your thoughts on public breastfeeding and menstruation too?

Also in case people were wondering, women being charged for a miscarriage is called feticide. One woman has been jailed in Indiana, there are several other cases of women being charged and Mississsippi is trying to create new laws to prosecute feticides.


Why should males not be allowed to speak about these issues?

Oh, you can speak as much as you want to. That doesn't mean I am not going to find it hilarious though.



ArchangelMadzz on 25 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Except then you are the one that is adding a load of dislaimers and exceptions on to what you just said. She has every right to decide its fate... except when this happens, or that happens...

Not only that, she isn't the only one that created it is she? It can't be done alone (except in very very rare cases) so shouldn't the father have some say too, since he also created it?

Parthenogenesis doesn't happen in humans so it literally cannot be done alone. 

Women can choose to abort if they do not want the child, it should also be the case that men can choose whether or not they should be affiliated but it should be enforced like an abortion to the point where you are not allowed to have contact with the child if you change your mind.

I'm sure I once read about a Russian woman who also had male parts and impregnated herself...


Yeah, no. I mean if you can provide a peer reviewed source for that then fine. But I know a few Biologists who would probably kill themselves if that happened because their entire lifes work would be a lie.



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DonFerrari on 25 May 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

Have I said that we should lock them up or anything??? I just contraposed your argument that they didn't want to get addict, or that if they screw up it's other people bussiness to salvage the person.

Yep I'm in favour of legalizing drugs, and helding every idiot that uses it accountable... like you had an accident and uses drugs, no public service for you. You caused an accident, you'll pay for it dearly etc... you were an imbecile that used once for curiosity and got dragged, ok we will help you out to get clean.

What that have to do with "owww it was an accident, he shouldn't have to suffer the consequences" is ridiculous.

If I say we shouldn't lock them up and you come back with some crap about punishment and them choosing to get addicted or something then of course I'm going to think that.

I never said they shouldn't suffer the consequences.. 

Were only disagreeing with your seemingly lack of consequences and accident route on drugs... on having support to leave it or being in jail just for consumptiion I'm against (but while the law is that they must abide).



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sundin13 on 25 May 2015
pepharytheworm said:

Oh, you can speak as much as you want to. That doesn't mean I am not going to find it hilarious though.


And why would you find it hilarious? The "you can only talk about it if it has personally happened to you" line of logic is absolutely broken in a million different places (and being a woman does not give you the automatic knowledge to know what such a situation would be like), so please explain what you are thinking.



ArchangelMadzz on 25 May 2015
the-pi-guy said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

It still have the potential. Potential literally means "having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future." a sperm cell is that.

And even if you ignore the definition, having the potential for life as I said doesn't matter, it matters once it IS life, which is around 24 weeks into pregnancy when it can survive on it's on.

I felt the need to post that again incase you didn't read it.

@italics.  By itself no.  

"capable of being or becoming:"

A sperm by itself is not capable of being or becoming life, unless it meets up with an egg.  Even then.  

@bold

No, that's not an actual fact.  Posting it twice doesn't change that.  It's not something you can prove.  It's a moral topic point, that isn't provable.  And different people will have different opinions.  

yes and a sperm cell is capable of becoming life. Same way as if I am a magnificent singer I have the potential for being a lead in a boyband, I need other members but the definition works.

Science has provided a solid definition, unless you have another that you can pose your point is mute.



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ArchangelMadzz on 25 May 2015
DonFerrari said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

If I say we shouldn't lock them up and you come back with some crap about punishment and them choosing to get addicted or something then of course I'm going to think that.

I never said they shouldn't suffer the consequences.. 

Were only disagreeing with your seemingly lack of consequences and accident route on drugs... on having support to leave it or being in jail just for consumptiion I'm against (but while the law is that they must abide).

Lack of consequences? I'm saying drugs should be legalised so we can help addicts instead of throwing them in prision. How can you disagree with both? If drugs are illegal you have to put them away. Unless you change the law... which would then make it legal..



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DonFerrari on 25 May 2015
DJEVOLVE said:
DonFerrari said:

Promise you vgchartz won't miss you greatly.


What are you going to do? Impose your will on me?

I have been here a lot longer than you, I'm just not coming into this thread after i respond to your obvious misunderstanding of my intentions.  After this thread and your opions, % show you will be less missed than i am and if woman where on this site,  the numbers go that much more against you. So you're the minority opionion, i'm that of the majority. Welcome to the future.


My wife very much agrees with me in all the topics that feminists nowadays try to push. And my child is very happy... on the matter of having natural or C-section I said she was the one to choose what she preffer as long as it didn't harmed the baby, that is when she carrying matters, the life or safety of the kid is both our bussiness.

And seems like you stayed after you said you would... and seeing the comments here I'm pretty certain you are less wellcome even though elder here.



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