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DonFerrari on 25 May 2015
eva01beserk said:
DJEVOLVE said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Except then you are the one that is adding a load of dislaimers and exceptions on to what you just said. She has every right to decide its fate... except when this happens, or that happens...

Not only that, she isn't the only one that created it is she? It can't be done alone (except in very very rare cases) so shouldn't the father have some say too, since he also created it?

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Um we draw lines in the sand all the time in life and if you can't understand this.. The man has no right to say anything, this is the problem with your ideals, you think you have some kind of power over woman, you are just the donor, once that happen's you have no role to play. If you think you do, you're living in the past and the future is going to be a rough one for you.

 

She can just as easily go to a sperm clinic. Your sperm does not make  you god over Woman. My fiance just laughed really hard at your post.

Dont think he claimed that. While I do belive the women has the final say, the fathers input cant just be coompletly ignored.


In a different thread he said it's all up to the woman and he can't open his mouth to say anything.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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SanAndreasX on 25 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
 

9 months of pregnancy vs 18 years of financial support?

Besides,  you completely ignored the more important part. Men can care about their children you know, it's actually quite common for fathers to love their children...


Physiology trumps "feels."

Physiology trumps finances.

Edit: By and large, women are still on the hook financially far more than men when it comes to support after the baby is born.

P.S. I am a man and have raised two kids.



hatmoza on 25 May 2015
DJEVOLVE said:
This thread is full of Fanatics, Go join a religious oppressive group and be done with it. I'm out of here. Have fun explaining this to closed minded people who want to control every single aspect of a woman's life. Since you know better than them and want to impose big government to get your way. PEACE! By the way, the percentage of people that want to control woman is a minority and shrinking everyday. In 20 years, you will be but a sliver of industrial nations and thank the fonz for that.




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ArchangelMadzz on 25 May 2015
Ka-pi96 said:

Except then you are the one that is adding a load of dislaimers and exceptions on to what you just said. She has every right to decide its fate... except when this happens, or that happens...

Not only that, she isn't the only one that created it is she? It can't be done alone (except in very very rare cases) so shouldn't the father have some say too, since he also created it?


Parthenogenesis doesn't happen in humans so it literally cannot be done alone. 

Women can choose to abort if they do not want the child, it should also be the case that men can choose whether or not they should be affiliated but it should be enforced like an abortion to the point where you are not allowed to have contact with the child if you change your mind.



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Toxy on 25 May 2015
DonFerrari said:
Toxy said:
Just so people understand:
Using protection is not 100% fool proof. You can use protection and still impregnate/become pregnant.

Both parties may not be ready to have a child, and may not want to put the child up for adoption, as going through 9 months of pregnancy can be a major toll on someone's life as it can interrupt their career, education etc.

Also in the earlier stages of pregnancy, it has been scientifically proven that it is not a baby, or human for that matter. It is simply a bunch of cells. It is no different to ejaculating into a sock or towel. "Your sperm could have created life, but you have ripped it of producing life". You see where I am going with this?

People should have the choice to have children, or put them up for adoption if they so choose.

To force someone to be a parent who is not prepared, does not have the finances to do so - to this I would say would be irresponsible.

Those who decide they want to give the baby up for adoption will do so.
Those who decide they want children will do so.

Also if someone is raped, they should not have to deal with a constant reminder about it for 9 months just so they can donate their rape baby to someone else. I do not know why this is even an argument.

The human race is not on the brink of destruction, there is no need for such a strong emphasis on the need to breed.

Honestly, I believe abortions or adoptions for that matter should happen more often. The amount of neglectful parents there are, leading to their children to becoming psychotic, depressed, or any other mental illness that may be involved is harmful to society.

Killing a bunch of cells is not harmful to society. The ova is essentially cells and so is semen. When you put the two together, it takes a long time before they amount to anything more than cells.
Ejaculating into a condom is essentially an abortion because you did not give that sperm the chance at life and so forth.


grow ups is a bunch of cell as well... and cientists haven't even much knowledge about human brain, much less "proven" when life begins... if an unicelular being can be called a life why do you want to quantify how many cells a baby needs to be called life?

Because when the embryo first forms, it does not even resemble the figure of a baby. It clearly does not represent the form of a human, therefore it simply a bunch of cells.

There are way to many extremists on this site, it is making me more and more uncomfortable coming here.

They have opinions, however they have no idea or grasp of reality.

One should not have to endure the criticisms of those who have no idea what functions as a life form and what does not. 

The early stages of pregnancy, the cells have not formed a heart nor a brain. How could you consider removing these cells as murder? It is nothing but propaganda to control others and hinder the minds of those who are not willing to accept the truth. 

I dare say that those who are opposed to abortion are likely religious. It is generally the talk of the soul and all of that as an excuse. Religion women are often oppressed, whether it be women creating the original sin, or men generally being the dominant gender as their 'god' is also a male. 
Those are anti-abortion are just looking for another way to oppress women, and invalidate any sort of progress.

You also failed to respond to what I said about contraception not being 100% preventative of pregnancy.
Those who are being responsible and do not want to conceive should not have to have their lives rotate around a simple mishap.



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Aerys on 25 May 2015

I think it's stupid to be pro or against, but it should be allowed only as an exception and not something you can do just like that because you " made a mistake"

But on an other subject, the father shouldnt be forced to be father, no one talk about the man in the story, he is the one who has no choice, he cant decide to keep the child if he wants and the girl doesnt want, and he cant decide to not be responsible of the child if the girl want him. It's quite unfair for us



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DonFerrari on 25 May 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

Keep your evaluation of my education of the discussion please...

Simple pill is an over simplification. And you want someone to regulate what is or isn't life, when life begins and etc to say it's acceptable to abort or not?

 

If you had a condom burst, or were drunk and had unprotected sex, go and take a after day pill... else you simply doesn't seem to care much to them demand that you just terminate a fetus.


When I hear drivel such as that then it does come into question, as you obviously have no idea what abortion is like. Please talk to someone who's had one and they will tell you how much of a wonderful experience it was.. or may describe it as one of the most traumatic experiences of their life but I guess it varies from person to person..

The day after pill doesn't always work and you may not always know. Couples can use protection (hell my sister got pregnant on the pill) and still get pregnant. Why should someone entire life be disrupted by a mistake that can be ammended that doesn't harm a human being?(other than the mother)

No I'm not allowing someone to regulate what is or isn't life, Science, you know, hat thing you're using right now, tells you that it is not human life until it can survive as an independant being on it's own. Which is why after 24 weeks an abortion is NOT allowed because it is human. 

That is because you regard yourself as superior... have I said abortion is a wonderfull experience??? Yet there are people that take multiple, so it certainly is easier solution for several people.

A lot of people had pregnancy using protection, all of them gave birth to functional citizens and none of their lifes were screwed by it... but I bet all the aborted fetus got their life screwed.

Science is often wrong and changing terms... mind you that there were cases of fetus being born with way less than 24 weeks right? So that boundaries is still being pushed... but yes let's say that because it can't survive on it's own it isn't a life... why don't we just drop all babies on the streets and see if they can survive on their own (yes I streatching... but for someone with such high knowledge as you, you probably choose the words you wanted to use).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

sundin13 on 25 May 2015
SanAndreasX said:

Physiology trumps "feels."

Physiology trumps finances.

P.S. I am a man and have raised two kids.


While men shouldn't have the final say on abortion (I still think that they should be involved in the discussion), should they not be able to make the decision on whether or not they want to care for the child (financially or otherwise)? Otherwise, the woman has 100% of the control in this scenario (the scenario that currently exists), even in situations where a male was raped, he can legally be forced to pay child support.

Like others have said, this is not a male v. female issue, however, it seems like a double standard to give one sex complete control over the situation. If women are given sole control over abortions, men should be given control over whether or not they want to finance the child (there are some legislative hang ups that occur, but lets speak about this in a vacuum for now).



DonFerrari on 25 May 2015
SanAndreasX said:
Ka-pi96 said:
 

No right to say anything? You what now? Do you think humans should be like bugs and the woman should just kill the man after she gets pregnant or something?

It's still his child, whether she likes it or not. I'm not saying he should be able to tie her up until she has the baby to prevent her from aborting it or anything crazy like that, but he should definitely still have a say.


Let's look at the investment here of each party, shall we?

The woman is obligated to give up her internal organs for 9 months to grow this baby. She assumes ALL the risks/discomforts involved.

The man's biological involvement lasts from the time he sticks his penis in until the time he splooges. That's all of 5-25 minutes. He has minimal risk and discomfort involved.

That is why the man doesn't have a say.


Make another... since man just donate sperm no man should have to support child.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 25 May 2015
eva01beserk said:
DonFerrari said:

Murder is and should always be bigger regret than choosing to give away... it's obvious and hormonal that you will grow more attached during pregnancy... the beuty is that at any moment you can decide not to give away anymore, but when you terminate you loose that choice... and several women have became sterile after abortion due to several reasons, so that is even more reason to regret.

And I'm atheist so I have no believe of soul or following gospel, but for me is still people trying the easier way out (and that said, for rape I still agree it should be allowed to terminate for all the serious implications, but as also explaiined before you usually takes pills to prevent pregnancy in those cases, but in the odd case it didn't happened ok).

I see no valid reason to keep criminals alive and kill fetus in the same mindset... for me is the opposite, one had opportunities and screwed up (ok sometimes he didn't had much choice) the other is being refused it... as most pro-life says, if you were aborted you wouldn't be here, so you have no say in asking other babies to be killed.

Thats if you consider it murder. But this fetus is not alive yet. You are depriving a future kid a life, but thats almost the same as saying masturbation is mass murder cuz it could had been a million babys.

The entire human nature is finding the easy way out on life. Does not mean that you have to face either the easy way or the hard way, if its a choice not harming anyone else, then by all means I will choose the easy way out.


That is only not harming another being because you chose to decide a fetus isn't a life.

sperm isn't life, it lacks half the DNA of a human being.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."