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What do you think the NX is?

Handheld Console 56 29.02%
 
Home Console 46 23.83%
 
Something else 91 47.15%
 
Total:193
zorg1000 said:
Airaku said:
I love how everyone is describing the Nintendo Fusion rumors. Dr. Vita even used the word Fusion -_- Honestly I would love the Fusion rumors to be true but those specs are OP as hell and a gamers wet dream.


I'm pretty sure they are referring to the concept of fusion, not that fake leak.


Oh I am aware of that. That is why it's ironic. Well okay 80% of them are, I've seen a few who actually quote parts of the fusion rumor and try to side-step their beliefs in it! XD

If it's true I'd be happy and probably jizz a little, but good luck with making that affordable or energy efficient.




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“It will become important for us to accurately take advantage of what we have done with the Wii U architecture,” Iwata said. “It of course does not mean that we are going to use exactly the same architecture as Wii U, but we are going to create a system that can absorb the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices will no longer be completely different, and they will become like brothers in a family of systems.”

Let’s unpack what Iwata was saying here. He’s specifically talking about the merging of home and portable systems, and creating something that can “absorb the WiiU - 3DS architecture

In my opinion NX will be a "bridge device" between 3DS/WiiU, it will be a "Games Library online" contain games of two dedicated gaming system above, so you can play Wii U/3DS games everywhere you go with your 3DS/WiiU on another device as long as we have a network

That means you just need to buy a 3DS or Wii U and a NX device (with maybe cheaper price) instead of both Wii U and 3DS to play games on both systems

And when Nintendo with DeNa done the job with Nintendo Network account system, we can purchase/rent Nintendo games on PC/Smartphone/3DS/WiiU/etc whenever we want

This device has an OS which compatible with previous and next-gen hanndheld/console so in the future you can see people still playing handheld game on a Nintendo console and contrary

With a larger libary like that, gamers will absolutely buy it

That's what I think



 

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Airaku said:
zorg1000 said:


I'm pretty sure they are referring to the concept of fusion, not that fake leak.

 


Oh I am aware of that. That is why it's ironic. Well okay 80% of them are, I've seen a few who actually quote parts of the fusion rumor and try to side-step their beliefs in it! XD

If it's true I'd be happy and probably jizz a little, but good luck with making that affordable or energy efficient.

Well Iwata & Miyamoto have both made comments that hint at such a scenario. I don't think price/energy efficiency will be a huge prblem.

NX Portable-300 gflop, 2gb RAM, 540p, $249.99

NX Console-1.2 tflop, 8gb RAM, 1080p, $249.99

Something like that in 2016/2017 should be attainable.



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zorg1000 said:

Well Iwata & Miyamoto have both made comments that hint at such a scenario. I don't think price/energy efficiency will be a huge prblem.

NX Portable-300 gflop, 2gb RAM, 540p, $249.99

NX Console-1.2 tflop, 8gb RAM, 1080p, $249.99

Something like that in 2016/2017 should be attainable.


That would be a potential but I think they need to be a bit more future proof this time around and keep up with the PS5 and the next Xbox. That is if they want to remain profitable and regain market dominance. I also don't think Nintendo want's another loss like the Wii U. Any console that doesn't go 4k next gen is going to suffer a HUGE consequence as by 2017 4K TV's will be the household standard. It could end up looking worse than the Wii did on a full 1080p screen. Smart TV's do help this to an extent but we are entering an era where holding back in power is no longer a viable option. Consoles are going to take another leap the way the 6th to 7th gen was.

Consoles have always had a huge leap small step formula for generations. I'll break down what I mean by this. I will only be mentioning the most significant consoles.

We will start with 3rd Generation. This was a huge leap and a revolution. This brought a huge jump to quality of games and the 8-bit generation.
NES and Sega Master System

4th Gen was a small step and an evolution. This entered the age of 16 bit and games look better and more pleasing to the eye.
Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis

5th Gen was a huge leap and a revolution that brought us our first venture of 3D game worlds to consoles
N64, PlayStation, and Sega Saturn

6th gen was a small step and a very noticeable evolution. Games looked far more pleasing to the eye
PS2, Game Cube, and Xbox

7th gen was a huge leap and a revolution that brought us the era of HD gaming a vibrant of colors and textures
Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii

8th gen is the current gen and it is a little early to make proper judgements. It is clear that it is a small step and an evolution. HD looks more pleasing to the eye and framerates have been more stable and the change of graphic quality is debated by gamers but there is no doubt that it looks better than 7th gen!
PS4, Xbox One (1080p debate applies), Wii U (Debatable for 1080p but lackluster in the pleasing of the eye)

9th Gen? We can't say much but I would say that the age of 4k and VR is upon us.





I think NX is an entirely new ecosystem for Nintendo games platforms and system software.

It'll have options for gamers, offering a handheld, entry level machine in the beginning, but Nintendo will add newer, more powerful versions over time.
Their software will work across the entire ecosystem, with a unified API that allows for easy scaling of game features.
One OS for everything.

I think Nintendo has eluded to this in their desires to provide something similar to how Apple handles their hardware, but software works on everything.
Maybe there will be some games that only work on the higher end platforms within Nintendo's hardware family, but all of the mobile titles and up will work on all of the higher end systems.

I think Dena solves Nintendo's issues with their online, I'm pretty sure one of the things they're really good at is handling Net Code and Online Infrastructure, both of which would be important to this.



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Airaku said:
zorg1000 said:

Well Iwata & Miyamoto have both made comments that hint at such a scenario. I don't think price/energy efficiency will be a huge prblem.

NX Portable-300 gflop, 2gb RAM, 540p, $249.99

NX Console-1.2 tflop, 8gb RAM, 1080p, $249.99

Something like that in 2016/2017 should be attainable.

 


That would be a potential but I think they need to be a bit more future proof this time around and keep up with the PS5 and the next Xbox. That is if they want to remain profitable and regain market dominance. I also don't think Nintendo want's another loss like the Wii U. Any console that doesn't go 4k next gen is going to suffer a HUGE consequence as by 2017 4K TV's will be the household standard. It could end up looking worse than the Wii did on a full 1080p screen. Smart TV's do help this to an extent but we are entering an era where holding back in power is no longer a viable option. Consoles are going to take another leap the way the 6th to 7th gen was.

Consoles have always had a huge leap small step formula for generations. I'll break down what I mean by this. I will only be mentioning the most significant consoles.

We will start with 3rd Generation. This was a huge leap and a revolution. This brought a huge jump to quality of games and the 8-bit generation.
NES and Sega Master System

4th Gen was a small step and an evolution. This entered the age of 16 bit and games look better and more pleasing to the eye.
Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis

5th Gen was a huge leap and a revolution that brought us our first venture of 3D game worlds to consoles
N64, PlayStation, and Sega Saturn

6th gen was a small step and a very noticeable evolution. Games looked far more pleasing to the eye
PS2, Game Cube, and Xbox

7th gen was a huge leap and a revolution that brought us the era of HD gaming a vibrant of colors and textures
Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii

8th gen is the current gen and it is a little early to make proper judgements. It is clear that it is a small step and an evolution. HD looks more pleasing to the eye and framerates have been more stable and the change of graphic quality is debated by gamers but there is no doubt that it looks better than 7th gen!
PS4, Xbox One (1080p debate applies), Wii U (Debatable for 1080p but lackluster in the pleasing of the eye)

9th Gen? We can't say much but I would say that the age of 4k and VR is upon us.



I dont buy it.

The cost in terms of performance from going from 1920 x 1080  ====>  4k resolution is mad.

While the resulting gain in visual quality isnt anywhere near that big.

 

Imagine a cheap nintendo device thats "only" 1080p that runs games at same quality as the PS5/Xbox2 (at 4k).

Alot of people will question why they spent so much more for their consols, with barely any gains in terms of graphics.

 

Ps5/ Xbox2 might still be too early for 4k gameing on consols.



Airaku said:

That would be a potential but I think they need to be a bit more future proof this time around and keep up with the PS5 and the next Xbox. That is if they want to remain profitable and regain market dominance. I also don't think Nintendo want's another loss like the Wii U. Any console that doesn't go 4k next gen is going to suffer a HUGE consequence as by 2017 4K TV's will be the household standard. 

I think you're greatly understimating the costs of going 4k. As it is right now you need to Sli/Crossfire to run demanding, current-gen, games at 4k 30fps. That is - current games with their current asset quality. One would expect better lighting, replacement of textures with geometry, etc next generation which will make this an even more difficult endeavor. Expect 1440p/1600p upscaled (maximum) next generation, don't expect 4k. You'll be dissapointed. As it is now, consoles struggle to hit their 1080p 30fps target. 



I think Pavolink's expression "line of hardware" is probably the most accurate way of talking about NX, at least in my opinion.

I once thought that Iwata just meant that both the handheld and home console would share the same OS and even games.
But then he said two things that make it impossible for it to be just that; for it to be "a brand new concept":

1 - They want to change how HW is sold
2 - "(...)taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country"

Actually, there's another he has been saying: "dedicated video game platform" and "dedicated videogame device".
Why doesn't he say devices or platforms instead of device or devices?
To me, that's proof that the platform is indeed the games and the HW is just a means to play it.

But i'm thinking that because games are the platform, Nintendo will change the way you access them. And that will be the brand new concept.
Nowdays you basically one version of HH or HC and that's it; all feature a disc/cartridge reader.

Why not have handhelds and home consoles with different kinds of specs (like PCs)? Why not a machine that allows streaming your games or that just allows downloads to HDD?

I think this is what Iwata is talking about: in countries/markets where new types of play options can be employed, they will do it.

So, i do think NX is a HH, a HC, just not in the traditional sense.



sc94597 said:
Airaku said:

That would be a potential but I think they need to be a bit more future proof this time around and keep up with the PS5 and the next Xbox. That is if they want to remain profitable and regain market dominance. I also don't think Nintendo want's another loss like the Wii U. Any console that doesn't go 4k next gen is going to suffer a HUGE consequence as by 2017 4K TV's will be the household standard. 

I think you're greatly understimating the costs of going 4k. As it is right now you need to Sli/Crossfire to run demanding, current-gen, games at 4k 30fps. That is - current games with their current asset quality. One would expect better lighting, replacement of textures with geometry, etc next generation which will make this an even more difficult endeavor. Expect 1440p/1600p upscaled (maximum) next generation, don't expect 4k. You'll be dissapointed. As it is now, consoles struggle to hit their 1080p 30fps target. 


Believe me I am aware of the cost of 4k. I've got a powerful rig myself, I would need a dual card to be where I would want to be. By 2018 or 2019 I think the chips will be a lot more affordable than they are today. A lot of people seem to forget how much 1080p was at first when PC did it in 2004. As time goes on GPU's and CPU's become more affordable as they die shrink the chips. We may not have true 4k, but we are likely going to have an upscaling result in the way last gen faked 1080p. The consoles will likely even be advertised and marketed as 4k machines in the same manner last gen was marketed as 1080p machines. I think we will see a noticeable leap as far as consoles are concerned. I also believe that Octacores may very well be a standard by 2018. I think things are going to be quite different as we have more breakthroughs in technology. What we have on mobile phones right now is quite amazing, something that no one would have believed 5 years ago. We are seeing some amazing breakthroughs and results coming out and I think we are going to be surprised. People seem to forget that the PS4 and Xbox One are actually using midrange APU's, many laptops have more of a punch behind them. Jaguar is decent for the consoles but imagine what they would be like if they used Steamroller instead. Solely used with the games without all the background tasks hogging resources. I see some great potential if they went that route. Sure it would have been more expensive, but pretty sexy at the same time.

Price is a very important factor got the majority of the people and I do think the energy consumption argument isn't really an issue. I understand why it is though, it would be a huge issue in countries like Japan as opposed to America. So with that in mind it is clear why Nintendo and potentially Sony would both double down on their power consumption. It would be in their best interest to do so.

So yes I do believe that the PS5 and the next Xbox will be able to at least fake 4k. Smart TV's these days have a decent upconverter which only furthers my stance and belief that we will see a form of 4k with the next consoles. I don't recall ever claiming that the next consoles would be true native 4k. I do however believe that this possbility is a very likely reality. In time we will see, but I predict that there will be a shift into this direction regaurdless if it is native resolution or not.




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