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haxxiy said:

Let's consider for a moment that he might be right. Just think about the average person here:

- Age 15-25
- Thinks himself of above average intelligence, but is an underachiever
- Underwhelming social life
- Defends tech companies as if his ego was on the table

Now tell me that is particularly desirable or laudable.


you forgot the smokes cannabis and drinks a lot beer.



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rutea7 said:
I came here to refute this but then I read some answers...
all i can say is don't blame videogames... Men have been emotionally handicapped way before they existed.


Can see the difference in groups of discussion with men and women.  My female friends talk far more and bring up emotions all the time.  They discuss an issue on an emotional level and often do not come to concrete conclusions, but better understand how they and/or the other person feel.  My male friends talk far less, and even less so about personal issues.  When they do it is solution oriented around ideas and how they think.



I love Zimbardo's work XD I honestly have a hard time seeing what's wrong in the article. Gamers get so touchy at anything that isn't in a positive light towards games



Seems our current gen is so obsessed with breaking down male/female boundaries....THAT is the issue.

Video games show mostly traditional masculinity. No wonder there's confusion.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

If masculinity is a problem, generally speaking, its because of estrogen being in a lot of our products. Yes, there is a social problem, but videogames do not hurt the risk, reward system nor does porn lead to erectile dysfunction. Socially awkward teenagers are going to be socially awkward teenagers and perhaps videogames give them a distraction from the world, but they are making the decision themselves to play them.

The real problem with male masculinity to me is being in an estrogen induced environment. Japan plays less games these days than they did in the past and yet they are STILL having an issue with mating, marriage and childbirth. Third world countries are not having this problem. Hmmmm....I wonder why?

P.S.

The system in which we live seems to fear an equal and balanced society between males and females.

Ya, damn estrogen in my Coke! ;)



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Porn is definately bad. Social isolation is usually not good. Not wanting a girlfriend is NOT a problem. I started gaming very early and I'm still a kissless virgin. But I'm better off than everyone I know at my age. Women have become the biggest problem. They're not worth 1% of the trouble you have for dating one nowadays. Have not been a "sexual revolution" I'd probably be married now but fortunately I have a great master teach me all kida things and I know better than being a slave for 21st century women.



Gourmet said:
Porn is definately bad. Social isolation is usually not good. Not wanting a girlfriend is NOT a problem. I started gaming very early and I'm still a kissless virgin. But I'm better off than everyone I know at my age. Women have become the biggest problem. They're not worth 1% of the trouble you have for dating one nowadays. Have not been a "sexual revolution" I'd probably be married now but fortunately I have a great master teach me all kida things and I know better than being a slave for 21st century women.


While it is fine you are happy, successful, and single I am not sure fair to paint women with a single brush.  I get the frustration many men deal with, I got rejected dozens if not hundreds of times from 13-26 and even the ones did date ended poorly.  The turning point was spent time on me instead of feeling compelled to date.  Then when I met someone special (my future wife) I was more relaxed and confident and viewed her as an addition to my life rather than feeling like needed to fill some void.  Again, I can see the appeal of being single as enjoyed my own time as well, but I think a great relationship is worth it.



He does make some great points. It is quite difficult to bring up fallacy in the article.



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Player2 said:

The differences between men and women's academic results could be easily fixed: Restore the bias against women in education from 75 years ago and forget ADHD exists and I'd bet men would be kicking ass again.

"When I'm in class, I'll wish I was playing World of Warcraft." Before WoW existed when I was in school wished I was playing basketball in the park. This isn't anything new.

I do find his TED video interesting. I do think there's some true to what he's saying. I don't think he goes and blames the entertainment mediums, but excessive consumption can harm how people interact in social situations. I don't see how you could argue against it.



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I don't necessarily find anything in the article wrong, but I wouldn't call this a "masculinity crisis." I do think the combination of various addictions and a negative societal view of men, as the article described with  "slobs, undesirable, only wanting to get laid and being inadequate in doing that" can be damaging to the identity of certain group of young males who still haven't found their adult niche in life. I also think we should consider a conflict of old and new societal norms. Most people would be better off choosing one orthe other and then finding their significant other(s) with respect to that. That isn't to say such norms can't be mismatched effectively, but that requires a lot more work and you need to make more compromises. For example, some women seem to want an overtly strong-willed man who likes to control things in a very traditional, gentlemanly way, but also want to be just as dominating (if not more) in the relationship as said strong-willed man, because of advancements in how we perceive genders. Is this not a clash of interests? Would this not lead to conflict if a compromise between these two ideals is not met? Another example is how much people in general (of all sexual orientations even) want to be promiscuous in their relationships, but also have an ideal of a traditional white-picket fence family and house. I view these to be almost inveresely proportional. The more promiscuous you are the less likely you're going to find that ideal traditional family you yearn for, and the more you want that traditional family the less likely you can be promiscuous (without altering the nature of the traditiona marriage/family.) All of this combined with miscommunication (the aforementioned social problems) make long-term relationships even harder than they had been in the past, and porn addiction/single life a lot easier. Now is this necessarily a bad thing? I don't know, it depends on the individual. Although I do agree that education (maybe not from formal sources though) can help people find their own way in the confusion.