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Mike_L said:
CosmicSex said:

Greetings from one of the least religious countries in the world (Sweden): We are doing fine without religion.

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion."

Robert M. Pirsig

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JWeinCom said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
I believe that there are religon nuts out there but still you people saying that we should lose the value of every day we have?
Without religon we have no hypothesis of why we are here.
Whats the point of any of us then?
Whats our purpose in life then?
Thats the big question

No religion has a valid testable hypothesis of why we are here.  If by "why we are here" you mean how the universe was created, there are testable hypothesis about that based on observable phenomena.  It goes into virtual particles, which if you haven't looked into may be an interesting topic to explore.  See Stephen Hawking's the grand design, or Lawrence Krauss' Universe from nothing.

As for a point, who said there was one?  Don't look to religion as an easy answer, your life is more valuable than that.  Figure out what gives your life meaning based on your own powers of logic and observation.  If that leads you to religion, then that's fine, but don't accept it on faith.

Exceptional book, got it last year.  Difficult read for someone who didn't make it through Physics.  But, Lawrence does a good job of trying to paraphrase and attach accompanying imagery to help the reader understand the math.



kristianity77 said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:

I guess your right,

but it would be nice if there was another afterlife but who knows

Convince yourself that the idea of what death is like as the same as what not being born is like and you'll find that its not actually that scary a thought.  Then once you've shook hands with that idea, live the life you have got to the full.

I've heard famous atheists use that, but I don't buy it.  If you have a child, think of them, if you don't imagine you did.  If the child died, how would you feel?  You didn't have a child before, and you don't have a child now.  Should you be fine with it then?  Obviously not.

I'm not necessarily afraid of the idea of being dead, I'm afraid of losing the things that I value in that life.  Of course, my personal opinions are irrelevant.  Death is what it is.  



mornelithe said:
JWeinCom said:

No religion has a valid testable hypothesis of why we are here.  If by "why we are here" you mean how the universe was created, there are testable hypothesis about that based on observable phenomena.  It goes into virtual particles, which if you haven't looked into may be an interesting topic to explore.  See Stephen Hawking's the grand design, or Lawrence Krauss' Universe from nothing.

As for a point, who said there was one?  Don't look to religion as an easy answer, your life is more valuable than that.  Figure out what gives your life meaning based on your own powers of logic and observation.  If that leads you to religion, then that's fine, but don't accept it on faith.

Exceptional book, got it last year.  Difficult read for someone who didn't make it through Physics.  But, Lawrence does a good job of trying to paraphrase and attach accompanying imagery to help the reader understand the math.

I didn't read the book, but I saw a lecture he did.  I'd like to read the book to supplement it.  I'm not an expert on physics, but I have enough of a grounding to understand the arguments being made.  I don't get the math entirely, but I get the underlying physics argument.  Like, I may not get the math behind calculating the curvature of space time in a galaxy, but I get why they can use the curvature and magnification to calculate mass.  



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baloofarsan said:
Mike_L said:
CosmicSex said:


Greetings from one of the least religious countries in the world (Sweden): We are doing fine without religion.

 

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion."

Robert M. Pirsig

 

I'm a fan of Sweden and that quote.

 

"Religion. It's given people hope in a world torn apart by religion."

John Stewart



kinisking said:
Apparently I'm ignorant for believing in something that hasn't been unproven


We haven't proven that the Loch Ness Monster isn't having sex with a reanimated Marilyn Monroe on Jupiter, and we will belikely unable to do in the forseeable future.  Nevertheless it is ridiculous to believe that is true.



JWeinCom said:
kristianity77 said:

Convince yourself that the idea of what death is like as the same as what not being born is like and you'll find that its not actually that scary a thought.  Then once you've shook hands with that idea, live the life you have got to the full.

I've heard famous atheists use that, but I don't buy it.  If you have a child, think of them, if you don't imagine you did.  If the child died, how would you feel?  You didn't have a child before, and you don't have a child now.  Should you be fine with it then?  Obviously not.

I'm not necessarily afraid of the idea of being dead, I'm afraid of losing the things that I value in that life.  Of course, my personal opinions are irrelevant.  Death is what it is.  

Yes but thats not really the same is it.  I'm not saying its not a slightly depressing way to look at it, thats just how I see it.  I just think that after death is the same as not being born.  IE nothing before, no concept of anything.  Whether its sad to think of children I might have or not is by the by.  Its not about being fine with it, its just me accepting that thats how it is.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

A common opinion in our secular society is that religious influence hinders progression. It is said that humanity is held back by superstitions and unfounded values, resulting in delayed scientific advancements while paving the way for discrimination and bigotry.

On first glance this may seem like a perfectly reasonable argument to make. After all, excerpts from the Old Testament clearly condemn homosexual acts and have been used through the ages to justify discrimination of homosexual individuals while there has been numerous cases of religious groups and societies destroying scientific works, deeming it blasphemous. At this point, however, there are two things that need to be considered:


1. These are isolated occurrences. The only thing that has been proven is that religion can be detrimental to societal progression.

2. The alternative to religion is even worse.


So what is this alternative? Just plain atheism? No, this issue runs far deeper than that.

In spite of all the bad things that religion has caused, there is one thing that it did absolutely right: It kept the human population in check, preventing it from fully expressing itself the way it desired. Today, when religion is largely seen as something that you leave at home when going to work, the dire consequences of our recent liberation are becoming increasingly apparent:


- People today are more entitled than ever before. They watch movies and listen to music for free, oftentimes illegally, then shamelessly go on to criticize its content on the internet. The youth has no problem asking their parents for new smarthphones and tablets every year, even if they are in a frail financial situation. Ungratefulness and poor manners spread like a disease as all responsibility is shifted towards someone else, oftentimes a politician or caretaker.

- Popular culture is more intellectually toxic than ever before. People have no second thoughts about idolizing even the most dimwitted celebrities; claiming to reward their "open-mindedness". Repetitive, vulgar songs regularly reach the top in terms of revenue and recognition. Simple, cheap video games are favored by the masses over games with extensive lore and great thought behind its music and gameplay concept.  What was previously known as "art" is gradually replaced with uninspired, provocative works as interest in true art fades away. And the list goes on and on.

- Critical thinking is overlooked. Instead, in a truly animalistic fashion, the loudest voice is the one that holds the most authority. Namely, the person who receives the most likes on youtube/facebook, the person with the most followers on twitter and the person whose reviews has the most readers. Popularity declares whether your word holds any value, rather than the word's content itself.


Needless to say, it has never been more apparent that freedom as we know it is severely overrated. When people have no god to look up to, they worship themselves and their own ideals in its place regardless of how destructive those ideals may be to the growth of our species.

As a non-believer myself I don't know how exactly this new religion should be formed or what beliefs it should entail. All I know is that the liberty that the people of today has obtained is unbridled and needs to be restrained as soon as possible if we are to solve this issue. Otherwise, the human population may never be humble again.

I've seen many of your posts here, so when I saw that you were the one that wrote this thread, I was mildly surprised.

Let's say this new religion exists, just to fight the things you mentioned. Even if it's good-willed like you intent to say, would a person like you join it? Would that make billions of other people to drop out their beliefs or lack of it to join it?

I do understand the point of your original post, but I don't think a new religion will make the people change their behavior.



kristianity77 said:
JWeinCom said:

I've heard famous atheists use that, but I don't buy it.  If you have a child, think of them, if you don't imagine you did.  If the child died, how would you feel?  You didn't have a child before, and you don't have a child now.  Should you be fine with it then?  Obviously not.

I'm not necessarily afraid of the idea of being dead, I'm afraid of losing the things that I value in that life.  Of course, my personal opinions are irrelevant.  Death is what it is.  

Yes but thats not really the same is it.  I'm not saying its not a slightly depressing way to look at it, thats just how I see it.  I just think that after death is the same as not being born.  IE nothing before, no concept of anything.  Whether its sad to think of children I might have or not is by the by.  Its not about being fine with it, its just me accepting that thats how it is.


I agree that death will be like it was before being born.  I'm not talking about death itself, but the reason to be afraid of death.  If you don't have a child, you can't worry about losing that child.  Once you have a child though, you can worry about losing them.  What I'm trying to say is that I'm not afraid of death being particularly unpleasant or bad.  I'm worried about losing something (life) that I quite enjoy.