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RubberWhistleHistle on 09 April 2015
Mummelmann said:
A good old "xbox and playstation are the same" thread, been a while since we had those.

On a more serious note; there are differences, different services and functions, different games and controllers etc. The two are not identical, but they are quite similar, that's a rather big difference.
Some people like PC, others prefer Mac, some buy iPhone, some get LG or Samsung, consumers have preferences and this has always been so.

All that said; the One and PS4 do strive to be more similar than the PS3 and 360 did, that's kind of the 8th gen thing, even the Wii U is going after a lot more non-gaming features, media and online capability and more emphasis on things like DLC and e-shopping for software. The 8th gen is the one where all console will be the most similar; the 9th gen will be where they try to separate more from one another (in my opinion).

PS: Let's not let this topic get out of hand, the OP is borderline on its own and doesn't need fuel. I personally find that the whole argument of saying that PS and xbox are the exact same to be a tool for stirring the pot and causing mischief. This is a topic that has a very low threshold for locking and we will be keeping an eye on it.

the OP is borderline? are you serious? so i cant even bring up the notion that these two consoles offer the same thing and i dont understand why there is a war between them? im honestly not trying to stir the pot at all, i jsut wanted answers to this idea of where this war comes from. and i think the consensus here is that it is more about brand loyalty than any real differences. most people seem to agree here that there are not any real differences between them and people are warring over defending purhcases and brand loyalty. that is something i can understand because in saying that there is an admission that they are the same. 

in your post you just tried to outline the differences but i am having trouble pinpointing what differences there actually are between them. you said different games, but the multiplats outweigh the exclusives by a long shot, so thats not even true. the controllers look different and may feel slightly different but the button layout is the exact same. not saying its a bad thing at all, but they control the games in the same exact way. AGAIN, not saying that is bad, but that isnt a difference. also, they have the same nongaming features. there are slight differences between what they offer, but what can you do with an x1 that you cant witha ps4 multimediawise and vice versa? is there anything specific? im not sold that they have enough "differences" to warrant this war that there is between them. 



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RubberWhistleHistle on 09 April 2015
mornelithe said:
Mummelmann said:
A good old "xbox and playstation are the same" thread, been a while since we had those.

On a more serious note; there are differences, different services and functions, different games and controllers etc. The two are not identical, but they are quite similar, that's a rather big difference.
Some people like PC, others prefer Mac, some buy iPhone, some get LG or Samsung, consumers have preferences and this has always been so.

All that said; the One and PS4 do strive to be more similar than the PS3 and 360 did, that's kind of the 8th gen thing, even the Wii U is going after a lot more non-gaming features, media and online capability and more emphasis on things like DLC and e-shopping for software. The 8th gen is the one where all console will be the most similar; the 9th gen will be where they try to separate more from one another (in my opinion).

PS: Let's not let this topic get out of hand, the OP is borderline on its own and doesn't need fuel. I personally find that the whole argument of saying that PS and xbox are the exact same to be a tool for stirring the pot and causing mischief. This is a topic that has a very low threshold for locking and we will be keeping an eye on it.

Agreed, that's why I stopped responding.  The intentions of the thread are pretty clear.

apparently theyre not because you have no idea what my intentions are. the only person who knows what my intent was is me, and im telling you right now, that youre implications that it was to cause trouble is completely wrong. 



RubberWhistleHistle on 09 April 2015
snyperdud said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:

like i said in my response, there would be exceptions because i do understand that people like different teams that arent located near them. but most of the time (90%+) it is about geography. im a yankees fan who lives in california (they play in 70 minutes, i cant wait ^_^) so i do understand.

Oh well see, I am a Tampa Bay Rays fan though, so we may have issues there lol.

But enjoy the game, I'm stuck in my office and missed most of the the Rays game on today.

EDIT: Actually, they play at 7 tonight. So i'll be watching.

oh the Rays! haha, good run in 2013, i was quite impressed and really wanted to see you guys beat the indians in the playoffs. 



jlmurph2 on 09 April 2015
sabvre42 said:
It's the Vikings and the packers fyi...


That rivalry started in like the 60's.

Chicago-Greenbay rivalry has been almost 100 years

This is so off topic. lol nevermind.



o_O.Q on 09 April 2015
RubberWhistleHistle said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"for fucks sake, look at the controllers"

 

the controllers are not the same the dualshock 4 has a touchpad for example while the xbox has rumble triggers

 

"how the games for each console are meant to be played"

 

wii u games for the most part do not play differently mario kart, smash, super mario etc all play pretty mush the same with the exception that you can play offscreen... 


" they literally have the same library"

 

i currently have transister, infamous and tlou since when could i play any of those xbox?

 

"they literally have the same library. your argument about smash and mario kart is completely nonsensical"

 lol the irony here amazes me

so you have.. three games you cant play on the x1 out of how many? just because you can own a handful of games that cant be played on the other console doesnt change anything at all that i have been arguing. because if you read the OP, i stated clearly that there are exclusives. mario kart wii is completely different from mario kart 8. smash brawl is completely different from smash for wii u. you must not have played much of those games. not to mention, those are only two games. do you understand that? its TWO games. youre juding an entire library of two consoles with two games. 

and really, youre arguing about the little touch pad and the triggers for the x1 and ps4 controllers (which dont change the gameplay in any way) and saying that is different when the wii mote and gamepad couldnt be any more different. i honestly think at this point you are just trying to troll me.

 

"just because you can own a handful of games that cant be played on the other console "

 

for most people that is what justifies the purchase of a console that it has a few games that collectively inspire them to pay down their money to play them

 

"mario kart wii is completely different from mario kart 8. smash brawl is completely different from smash for wii u"

 

lol smash wii u is completely different to smash wii? seriously? well i'm sorry but i didn't notice much of a change when i played it with my friends but that's just me... i've only watched people playing mario kart so i can't comment on how it feels to play it but it looked reptty much the same


"youre juding an entire library of two consoles with two games. "


well there's more i could have gone on to talk about donkey kong, 2d mario etc etc etc but i didn't because i figured my point would be fairly obvious

 

"and really, youre arguing about the little touch pad and the triggers for the x1 and ps4 controllers (which dont change the gameplay in any way) and saying that is different when the wii mote and gamepad couldnt be any more different."

 

how does the gamepad change gameplay outside of touch commands?


ok, id like to see how games like excite truck, the red steel games, boom blox, the trauma center games, skyward sword, metroid prime trilogy, etc. (i could seriously go on) would work without wiimotes. it is a completely different gameplay experience.

look, if youre not trying to troll me, let me take a step to lower our defenses toward eachother. i completely agree with you that these other two games you just mentioned (dk and nsmb) are completely the same on the wii u and on the wii. in fact, i detest how similar they are, and as a nintendo fan, it drives me nuts that they are offering the same game on both of these consoles. no advancements in any way for the new super mario bros games especially. that is something i certainly hate to see. so even though there are these couple games that are the same, that doesnt take away from my point that the consoles are completely different compared to the x1 and ps4. 

there are also plenty of games on the wii u that offer completely different experiences than what can be attained on the wii. pikmin 3, kirby, and the new xenoblade are games that cannot in any way be done on the wii. for those games to be ported to that console would be impossible. unless you completely change how the games are played. this is so simple to see, and i dont understand why i have to explain something like this. 

in all honesty, if you cannot see the difference between the wii and the wii u, and how they are further apart in terms of what they do and what they are compared to a ps4 and an x1, then i really dont think there is any discussion that could be had between us. if youre just going to grasp at these few examples without taking a step back and looking at the big picture, then what youre essentially doing is looking for whatever you can to support an opinion that you dont want to deviate from instead of looking at everything. 

 

"would work without wiimotes"

i didn't ask you about wiimotes 

i asked you what new gameplay the gamepad provides outside of touch functionality


"for those games to be ported to that console would be impossible. unless you completely change how the games are played."

 

a whole three games? lol but anyway does that also not apply to xbox games that use the kinect for example? how could they be transferred over to the ps4? or is this another situation where it doesn't matter?

 

"if you cannot see the difference between the wii and the wii u, and how they are further apart in terms of what they do and what they are compared to a ps4 and an x1"

 

to illustrate this point you listed 3 games 2 of which are not out yet edit: i just realised that kirby came out 2 months ago

 

furthermore yes i think xenoblade and kirby could be done on wii with reduced graphics



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RubberWhistleHistle on 09 April 2015
o_O.Q said:


ok, id like to see how games like excite truck, the red steel games, boom blox, the trauma center games, skyward sword, metroid prime trilogy, etc. (i could seriously go on) would work without wiimotes. it is a completely different gameplay experience.

look, if youre not trying to troll me, let me take a step to lower our defenses toward eachother. i completely agree with you that these other two games you just mentioned (dk and nsmb) are completely the same on the wii u and on the wii. in fact, i detest how similar they are, and as a nintendo fan, it drives me nuts that they are offering the same game on both of these consoles. no advancements in any way for the new super mario bros games especially. that is something i certainly hate to see. so even though there are these couple games that are the same, that doesnt take away from my point that the consoles are completely different compared to the x1 and ps4. 

there are also plenty of games on the wii u that offer completely different experiences than what can be attained on the wii. pikmin 3, kirby, and the new xenoblade are games that cannot in any way be done on the wii. for those games to be ported to that console would be impossible. unless you completely change how the games are played. this is so simple to see, and i dont understand why i have to explain something like this. 

in all honesty, if you cannot see the difference between the wii and the wii u, and how they are further apart in terms of what they do and what they are compared to a ps4 and an x1, then i really dont think there is any discussion that could be had between us. if youre just going to grasp at these few examples without taking a step back and looking at the big picture, then what youre essentially doing is looking for whatever you can to support an opinion that you dont want to deviate from instead of looking at everything. 

 

"would work without wiimotes"

i didn't ask you about wiimotes 

i asked you what new gameplay the gamepad provides outside of touch functionality


"for those games to be ported to that console would be impossible. unless you completely change how the games are played."

 

a whole three games? lol but anyway does that also not apply to xbox games that use the kinect for example? how could they be transferred over to the ps4? or is this another situation where it doesn't matter?

 

"if you cannot see the difference between the wii and the wii u, and how they are further apart in terms of what they do and what they are compared to a ps4 and an x1"

 

to illustrate this point you listed 3 games 2 of which are not out yet

 

furthermore yes i think xenoblade and kirby could be done on wii with reduced graphics

so im supposed to explain how the gamepad changes gameplay without referring to the one thing that sets it apart.. hmm, yeah i cant do that. and those x1 games that use kinect, couldnt that be done on ps4's kinect sensor? i dont know much about ps4's kinect, both companies dont support their sensor bars very much. but anyway, lets just agree that you're right about everything lol. youre clearly here to just argue and not exchange any ideas or learn anything, so if i would like to graciously step out of this one. 



o_O.Q on 09 April 2015
RubberWhistleHistle said:
o_O.Q said:


ok, id like to see how games like excite truck, the red steel games, boom blox, the trauma center games, skyward sword, metroid prime trilogy, etc. (i could seriously go on) would work without wiimotes. it is a completely different gameplay experience.

look, if youre not trying to troll me, let me take a step to lower our defenses toward eachother. i completely agree with you that these other two games you just mentioned (dk and nsmb) are completely the same on the wii u and on the wii. in fact, i detest how similar they are, and as a nintendo fan, it drives me nuts that they are offering the same game on both of these consoles. no advancements in any way for the new super mario bros games especially. that is something i certainly hate to see. so even though there are these couple games that are the same, that doesnt take away from my point that the consoles are completely different compared to the x1 and ps4. 

there are also plenty of games on the wii u that offer completely different experiences than what can be attained on the wii. pikmin 3, kirby, and the new xenoblade are games that cannot in any way be done on the wii. for those games to be ported to that console would be impossible. unless you completely change how the games are played. this is so simple to see, and i dont understand why i have to explain something like this. 

in all honesty, if you cannot see the difference between the wii and the wii u, and how they are further apart in terms of what they do and what they are compared to a ps4 and an x1, then i really dont think there is any discussion that could be had between us. if youre just going to grasp at these few examples without taking a step back and looking at the big picture, then what youre essentially doing is looking for whatever you can to support an opinion that you dont want to deviate from instead of looking at everything. 

 

"would work without wiimotes"

i didn't ask you about wiimotes 

i asked you what new gameplay the gamepad provides outside of touch functionality


"for those games to be ported to that console would be impossible. unless you completely change how the games are played."

 

a whole three games? lol but anyway does that also not apply to xbox games that use the kinect for example? how could they be transferred over to the ps4? or is this another situation where it doesn't matter?

 

"if you cannot see the difference between the wii and the wii u, and how they are further apart in terms of what they do and what they are compared to a ps4 and an x1"

 

to illustrate this point you listed 3 games 2 of which are not out yet

 

furthermore yes i think xenoblade and kirby could be done on wii with reduced graphics

so im supposed to explain how the gamepad changes gameplay without referring to the one thing that sets it apart.. hmm, yeah i cant do that. and those x1 games that use kinect, couldnt that be done on ps4's kinect sensor? i dont know much about ps4's kinect, both companies dont support their sensor bars very much. but anyway, lets just agree that you're right about everything lol. youre clearly here to just argue and not exchange any ideas or learn anything, so if i would like to graciously step out of this one. 

 

you do realise that the ps4 also has touch functionality right?

which is why i said that it doesn't make sense to mention it as you for some reason don't believe the touch functionality of the ps4 is worth mentioning

 

"couldnt that be done on ps4's kinect sensor?"

the ps4s camera does noit have the same functionality as the kinect

 

" both companies dont support their sensor bars very much"

yes and the gamepad has been getting amazing support in comparison i'm sure

 

"youre clearly here to just argue and not exchange any ideas or learn anything"

well go on and teach me what i need to know



RubberWhistleHistle on 09 April 2015
o_O.Q said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
o_O.Q said:


ok, id like to see how games like excite truck, the red steel games, boom blox, the trauma center games, skyward sword, metroid prime trilogy, etc. (i could seriously go on) would work without wiimotes. it is a completely different gameplay experience.

look, if youre not trying to troll me, let me take a step to lower our defenses toward eachother. i completely agree with you that these other two games you just mentioned (dk and nsmb) are completely the same on the wii u and on the wii. in fact, i detest how similar they are, and as a nintendo fan, it drives me nuts that they are offering the same game on both of these consoles. no advancements in any way for the new super mario bros games especially. that is something i certainly hate to see. so even though there are these couple games that are the same, that doesnt take away from my point that the consoles are completely different compared to the x1 and ps4. 

there are also plenty of games on the wii u that offer completely different experiences than what can be attained on the wii. pikmin 3, kirby, and the new xenoblade are games that cannot in any way be done on the wii. for those games to be ported to that console would be impossible. unless you completely change how the games are played. this is so simple to see, and i dont understand why i have to explain something like this. 

in all honesty, if you cannot see the difference between the wii and the wii u, and how they are further apart in terms of what they do and what they are compared to a ps4 and an x1, then i really dont think there is any discussion that could be had between us. if youre just going to grasp at these few examples without taking a step back and looking at the big picture, then what youre essentially doing is looking for whatever you can to support an opinion that you dont want to deviate from instead of looking at everything. 

 

"would work without wiimotes"

i didn't ask you about wiimotes 

i asked you what new gameplay the gamepad provides outside of touch functionality


"for those games to be ported to that console would be impossible. unless you completely change how the games are played."

 

a whole three games? lol but anyway does that also not apply to xbox games that use the kinect for example? how could they be transferred over to the ps4? or is this another situation where it doesn't matter?

 

"if you cannot see the difference between the wii and the wii u, and how they are further apart in terms of what they do and what they are compared to a ps4 and an x1"

 

to illustrate this point you listed 3 games 2 of which are not out yet

 

furthermore yes i think xenoblade and kirby could be done on wii with reduced graphics

so im supposed to explain how the gamepad changes gameplay without referring to the one thing that sets it apart.. hmm, yeah i cant do that. and those x1 games that use kinect, couldnt that be done on ps4's kinect sensor? i dont know much about ps4's kinect, both companies dont support their sensor bars very much. but anyway, lets just agree that you're right about everything lol. youre clearly here to just argue and not exchange any ideas or learn anything, so if i would like to graciously step out of this one. 

 

you do realise that the ps4 also has touch functionality right?

which is why i said that it doesn't make sense to mention it as you for some reason don't believe the touch functionality of the ps4 is worth mentioning

 

"couldnt that be done on ps4's kinect sensor?"

the ps4s camera does noit have the same functionality as the kinect

 

" both companies dont support their sensor bars very much"

yes and the gamepad has been getting amazing support in comparison i'm sure

 

"youre clearly here to just argue and not exchange any ideas or learn anything"

well go on and teach me what i need to know

dude, youre literally trying to argue that the touch functionality on the ps4 is  the same as the touch functionality on the wii u. if you can show me that you know how to admit that youre wrong and retract that statement, maybe i could continue this with you.



vivster on 09 April 2015

The most positive thing I can say about any of the consoles is that PS4 is the best we got.
I'm not a die hard PS4 fan but you can't make me like the X1. If the PS4 is already just a compromise, the X1 is even worse and I don't think that's likable.



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Nicklesbe on 09 April 2015

What exactly is the point of the argument? All three tried to innovate and so far Nintendo and MS abandoned the biggest things they tried to innovate with(Nintendo clearly with the Wii U since they will be releasing a new console and the 3ds getting all the games and support. MS abandoning support for their kinnect/TV functionality/TV show production) While Sony has already released one their shows instead of abandoning the studio/plans and building on their controller with game support of project Morpheus.



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