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Materia-Blade on 31 March 2015
oniyide said:
Samus Aran said:

I gave you reasons, you dismiss them without reason.

How should I know what Nintendo will do with their next HH? That's the job of their R & D department.

No matter how you try to spin it, Sony leaving the HH market can only benefit Nintendo. Even if it only boosts Nintendo's sales with 2%. 

The DS had a brand new and original gimmick and it was cheaper than the 3DS. Power means little, when has the most powerful console ever won its generation? PS4 is the only recent example I can think of now.

you didnt back up your reasons with anything. Thats why I dismissed them.

I simply ask what do you think taht Nintendo will do that will cause them not to decline with there next HH you obviously dont have an answer so i will continue to say "nothing" until i am proven otherwise.

2% is nothing and its not about benefiting Nintendo but HHs as a whole, 2% increase wont do nothing as it would still be less than GBA and DS so HHs will still decline. So again what will happen that will STOP the decline or at he least keep it stagnant

Stop what? You have to prove there's an ongoing decline first.



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oniyide on 31 March 2015
Samus Aran said:
oniyide said:

you didnt back up your reasons with anything. Thats why I dismissed them.

I simply ask what do you think taht Nintendo will do that will cause them not to decline with there next HH you obviously dont have an answer so i will continue to say "nothing" until i am proven otherwise.

2% is nothing and its not about benefiting Nintendo but HHs as a whole, 2% increase wont do nothing as it would still be less than GBA and DS so HHs will still decline. So again what will happen that will STOP the decline or at he least keep it stagnant

I gave you 5 reasons and they're all valid.

Just because you want to see a decline doesn't mean there has to be one. It can go both ways. Or a status quo.

Vita gets a lot of Japanese support still, without the Vita those developers would go to Nintendo. Which means more Nintendo HH units sold and more software, mostly in Japan. The Vita is still doing well in Japan.

No you gave speculation you dont know what Ninty is doing, it works both ways they can give us a traditional HH taht wont set the world on fire.

Look at last gen numbers and look at now numbers. There IS a decline if you want to deny it on a sales website then thats on you. 



oniyide on 31 March 2015
Materia-Blade said:
oniyide said:

you didnt back up your reasons with anything. Thats why I dismissed them.

I simply ask what do you think taht Nintendo will do that will cause them not to decline with there next HH you obviously dont have an answer so i will continue to say "nothing" until i am proven otherwise.

2% is nothing and its not about benefiting Nintendo but HHs as a whole, 2% increase wont do nothing as it would still be less than GBA and DS so HHs will still decline. So again what will happen that will STOP the decline or at he least keep it stagnant

Stop what? You have to prove there's an ongoing decline first.

DS vs 3ds numbers. Are you going to ignore that?



Platina on 31 March 2015
Materia-Blade said:
Platina said:


Though possibly true, having a screen fold 180 degrees is a bit much and not an easy thing to do, therefore making it very expensive..

Doesn't have to be 180 degrees, though, as long as there's some room for the screen. But why do you think the angle would make it any more expensive?


If the handheld is able to close like a clampshell, it has to be able to bend 180 degrees. While, it could be made to bend at maybe 160 max, the screen still has to be able to bend that far in order for the handheld to close nicely.

Making a screen bend is new technology. Bending screens isn't unheard of, but super flexible screens that can bend to about 180 degrees are definitely going to be more expensive than a screen that bends a little.



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Samus Aran on 31 March 2015
oniyide said:
Samus Aran said:

I gave you 5 reasons and they're all valid.

Just because you want to see a decline doesn't mean there has to be one. It can go both ways. Or a status quo.

Vita gets a lot of Japanese support still, without the Vita those developers would go to Nintendo. Which means more Nintendo HH units sold and more software, mostly in Japan. The Vita is still doing well in Japan.

No you gave speculation you dont know what Ninty is doing, it works both ways they can give us a traditional HH taht wont set the world on fire.

Look at last gen numbers and look at now numbers. There IS a decline if you want to deny it on a sales website then thats on you. 

One generation of decline doesn't constitute a trend. Besides, the DS/Wii are obviously an anomoly when looking at all Nintendo consoles. There are going to be loads of failing consoles if you're going to compare them to the all mighty DS.

I gave 5 things that Nintendo can improve upon to boost sales. You dismissed them for no reason. Of course this is speculation, what on earth do you think you're doing when you're talking about the sales of a console that has yet to come out? -,-



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Materia-Blade on 31 March 2015
oniyide said:
Materia-Blade said:

Stop what? You have to prove there's an ongoing decline first.

DS vs 3ds numbers. Are you going to ignore that?

That's ONE decline from the best selling handheld ever. Now read my post again and prove there's an ONGOING decline = prove that the decline hasn't stoped already.



Materia-Blade on 31 March 2015
Platina said:
Materia-Blade said:

Doesn't have to be 180 degrees, though, as long as there's some room for the screen. But why do you think the angle would make it any more expensive?


If the handheld is able to close like a clampshell, it has to be able to bend 180 degrees. While, it could be made to bend at maybe 160 max, the screen still has to be able to bend that far in order for the handheld to close nicely.

Making a screen bend is new technology. Bending screens isn't unheard of, but super flexible screens that can bend to about 180 degrees are definitely going to be more expensive than a screen that bends a little.

The tip doesn't have to bend full 180, as long as there's some room.



Platina on 31 March 2015
Materia-Blade said:
Platina said:


If the handheld is able to close like a clampshell, it has to be able to bend 180 degrees. While, it could be made to bend at maybe 160 max, the screen still has to be able to bend that far in order for the handheld to close nicely.

Making a screen bend is new technology. Bending screens isn't unheard of, but super flexible screens that can bend to about 180 degrees are definitely going to be more expensive than a screen that bends a little.

The tip doesn't have to bend full 180, as long as there's some room.

I know, that is why I said that the screen may only need to bend about 160 degrees but will still have a huge gap between the handheld top and bottom. But even if it can bend find into a clampshell effectively, it still will be expensive to produce..



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zorg1000 on 31 March 2015
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Because when a single generation is literally 3x as much as the previous (GBA-80m to DS/PSP-240m) it's clearly not the norm, I'm saying look at the full picture, not just one single data point.

GBA was on the market for 6 years, not 3.5 years.

If we are to exclude Nintendo DS (clear outlier) & Game & Watch (didn't have interchangeable cartridges) and take the average of the 3 Gameboy generations (54, 64, 81) than we get about 65 million on average for the Gameboy family which is right about what 3DS is set to sell.

None of the Gameboy generations were seen as having an uncertain future so why are handhelds now not seen as one despite selling similar numbers?

We literally only have seen one generation of decline, we have no idea if that decline will continue, it's just as possible that sales will stagnate or even rise. What if Nintendo finds the next Pokemon or Minecraft craze among kids?

What I'm saying is a 50-80 million install has a strong future, especially when u have games like 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Pokemon, Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart that are all capable of selling 10+ million per game.

DS released in 2004. 3 years after GBA, oh sure they might have kept selling it but lets be real GBA only got real support for those years prior to DS. 

not counting DS 3ds is still not going to do GBA numbers. especially if you believe the NX is going to be a portable then it really isnt going to. That is a decline. No matter how you want to spin it. 3ds aint doing 80mil. Now if you think selling 50mil is a good future then thats your opinion. declining or stagnating is not good IMHO it might be acceptable but not good.


Nope, GBA got great support from Nintendo in 2005 and decent support in 2006

2005

DK: King of Swing

Donkey Kong Country 3

Dr. Mario & Puzzle League

Dynasty Warriors Advance

Final Fantasy IV Advance

Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones

The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap

Mario Party Advance

Mario Tennis: Power Tour

Pokémon Emerald

WarioWare: Twisted!

Yoshi Topsy-Turvy

2006

Drill Dozer

Final Fantasy V Advance

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Red Rescue Team

Tales of Phantasia

These are the Nintendo published titles for GBA in 2005 & 2006, it also got a redesign in the Gameboy Micro in September 2005 so GBA got a full 5 years of support.

Like I said it's one single point of decline, that doesn't prove in any way that it will continue.

The home console market is set to decline this gen compared to last gen, Wii+PS3+360=close to 280 million, this gen might only be 200 million, do home consoles not have a future?



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Materia-Blade on 31 March 2015
Platina said:
Materia-Blade said:

The tip doesn't have to bend full 180, as long as there's some room.

I know, that is why I said that the screen may only need to bend about 160 degrees but will still have a huge gap between the handheld top and bottom. But even if it can bend find into a clampshell effectively, it still will be expensive to produce..

Can you post a source for why you think it would be so expensive?