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Soundwave said:

To be honest if Sega didn't run out of money, the Dreamcast may have very well outsold the GameCube and XBox to finish no.2 that generation.

They sold about 10 million between 1999-2001, they may well have been able to finish at around 25 million or so, which would've made them no.2 that generation had they not run out of money, lol.

When Nintendo releases Nintendo CD add-on for Wii U for $400 and then releases Nintendo 32X two years later and then releases a new system on top of that 8 months later then we can talk about them being Sega. 

The best selling game hardware from Sega, Nintendo, and Microsoft all actually came after shortened hardware cycles, so me that indicates this isn't as big of a deal as it's made out to be.

Sega - Best selling hardware is the Genesis (33-40 million), was released three years after it predacessor the Sega Master System. 

Microsoft - Best selling hardware is the XBox 360 (80 million and counting) was released four years after its predacessor the XBox. 

Nintendo - Best selling hardware is the Nintendo DS (150 million) was released 3 1/2 years after its predacessor Game Boy Advance. 

MS waited too long to release the XBox One this gen. Should've launched in fall 2012 to get a one year headstart with no optional Kinect. 


Um not really.

The Dreamcast's sales were dead in the water. Not only was Sega losing money, but the Dreamcasts weren't selling. At one point they were giving Dreamcasts away and people STILL didn't want them.

The Dreamcast was done by early 2000. Nothing outside of a Halo or GTAIII could save it.



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It will be either cross gen or Wii U only. No chance it will be a NX exclusive, Wii U still doesn't have a new, traditional Zelda game, unlike GC did with Wind Waker



ExplodingBlock said:
It will be either cross gen or Wii U only. No chance it will be a NX exclusive, Wii U still doesn't have a new, traditional Zelda game, unlike GC did with Wind Waker


Anuma says clearly on the video that they are working for making the definitive Zelda on WiiU. He says WiiU several time, but people are saying that will skip the console, seriously, wtf?



Goodnightmoon said:
ExplodingBlock said:
It will be either cross gen or Wii U only. No chance it will be a NX exclusive, Wii U still doesn't have a new, traditional Zelda game, unlike GC did with Wind Waker


Anuma says clearly on the video that they are working for making the definitive Zelda on WiiU. He says WiiU several time, but people are saying that will skip the console, seriously, wtf?


I think it'll release on both NX and Wii U. 

Nintendo was saying Twilight Princess was for the GameCube well into 2006, it wasn't until May 2006 (E3) that they finally admitted it was also coming as a launch title for the Wii. 



Goodnightmoon said:
ExplodingBlock said:
It will be either cross gen or Wii U only. No chance it will be a NX exclusive, Wii U still doesn't have a new, traditional Zelda game, unlike GC did with Wind Waker


Anuma says clearly on the video that they are working for making the definitive Zelda on WiiU. He says WiiU several time, but people are saying that will skip the console, seriously, wtf?


If the Wii U was going to get a Zelda game, it would have already got one by this year.

NES launch: (1983 in Japan) 1985, Zelda: 1986

SNES launch: 1991, Zelda - ALTTP: 1992

N64 launch: 1996, Zelda - OOT: 1998

GC launch: 2001, Zelda - TWW: 2003

Wii launch: 2006, Zelda - TP: 2006

Nintendo has done this before:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/08/16/zelda-delayed-to-next-year

With Twilight Princess being pushed in 2006, some Nintendo fans are wondering if the game might ultimately be killed for GameCube and instead repositioned as a launch title for Revolution, the Big N's next-generation platform. Revolution is set to launch sometime in the second half of 2006, according to sources. According to Kaplan, though, the game is still scheduled to ship for GameCube.

"In effect, because of the backward compatibility built into Revolution, every GameCube game also will be a Revolution title," she said. "But we feel a commitment to the GameCube owners who've been patiently awaiting this new Zelda title, and don't want to force them to wait and buy a brand new system in order to play the game."



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Mummelmann said:
Materia-Blade said:
 

"and gain a chance at actually becoming a factor in the market again"

you're saying nintendo is not a factor in the market? that's interesting.

"reat lack of news regarding Wii U and 3DS must-have software for the foreseeable future and not even a Direct for some time"

In case you didn't notice, E3 i around the corner AND we are getting news for the 2015 games.

I'm saying that Nintendo are not a factor in the home console market; yes. That is a statement anyone in the world would be hard-pressed to counter right now, they're really not. It is not only interesting; it is also undeniable.

Oh, I forgot about E3! What has been the biggest gripe of Wii U owners in the 8th gen? Games, games, games, game droughts extending through long periods, this has been as issue since launch and every year, Iwata and his biggest fans have chanted; "This will be the year of the Wii U", so far we've had two amazing "years of the Wii U", 2013 and 2014 and 2015 is said to be yet another one. Why on earth would Nintendo, in the desperate sales position they're in, shaky financial situation and losing more and more faith from even their most loyal followers "tease" their already tiny customer base by withholding news from the holidays until June? That would be a fantastically bad strategic move, were it on purpose, and you and I both better hope that the reason we aren't hearing much is that there isn't much due to their imminent plans of moving on, not that they have the extremely poor sense to not show it when it is the most needed, their quota for errors and misjudgements is spent a long time ago in the 8th gen.
You're more or less implying that Nintendo are pissing their fans off on purpose to up the suspense, as if keeping them angry for six months or more (hell, look at the biggest "Zelda U is delayed" thread for evidence of righteous fury incarnate) and then showing something at E3 would suddenly make everyone satisifed and smile, "Oh, you're so clever for hiding news from me and springing them on me like this, I love it when you do that and all is forgiven". This is not in any way better than simply moving forward with new hardware, upsetting many in the process; one of the solutions has a chance of success in the end, the other does not.

Upset them with new hardware and start over with actual potential for a rise to more power (and, not to mention; decent earnings again) or keep upsetting them for several more years by extended (and highly predictable) development times, poor 3rd party support, inferior online that still doesn't even feature a proper account system after 2.5 years on the market, lack of proper implementation of the Gamepad overall to justify its high cost and perhaps even its very existence, refusing to reduce the price and end up as completely and utterly irrelevant in the home console market within two years at the most.
Now is the time for Nintendo to be smart and think about their future, not base their entire company's fate on angry posters on internet forums and their contrived and entitled rules on console lifecycles and idle threats of abandoning the favorite brand should they choose to survive rather than keep pushing through a storm where there is no silver lining waiting at the end.

PS: What are some of these must-have software titles they've recently announced to sate gamers' thirst for new software and inflate the perceived value of the Wii U, what besides X and Splatoon and mere rumors of Star Fox that might possibly launch some time this year? The fact that these are the strongest cards to draw and show for this particular "year of the Wii U" speaks volumes of why I am right in stating that Nintendo are not a factor in the home console market. Why Splatoon and X is even marked as must-have titles by some in the first place is beyond me, they won't even make a difference in the long run and neither is likely to be a big hit, especially Splatoon will very likely be extremely niche.
"Rumors" and "unannounced titles that gamers will be very excited about" do not count, even in the slightest, I'm talking about what will be the real, tangible reason(s) that anyone who hasn't picked up a Wii U at this point should do it this year if they crave the last of Nintendo's huge franchises; the main course and not stale bread to chew while they keep on waiting for the software and things that really matter.

2014 was as good as it will ever get and they should keep moving and put the dreary 8th behind them as soon as possible. Instead of feverishly defending their hopeless position and poor decisions across the board, many would be better served by embracing the effort to solve the problems and the prospect of having an actual contender on the market to cheer for.
Should the OP be right and you are as a big a Nintendo fan as I think; you should be trilled at this possibility, more than anyone else even.

"I'm saying that Nintendo are not a factor in the home console market; yes. That is a statement anyone in the world would be hard-pressed to counter right now, they're really not. It is not only interesting; it is also undeniable."

It's totally deniable because it's not true. Ignoring nintendo's presence on the market just baffles me.



McDonaldsGuy said:
Goodnightmoon said:


Anuma says clearly on the video that they are working for making the definitive Zelda on WiiU. He says WiiU several time, but people are saying that will skip the console, seriously, wtf?


If the Wii U was going to get a Zelda game, it would have already got one by this year.

NES launch: (1983 in Japan) 1985, Zelda: 1986

SNES launch: 1991, Zelda - ALTTP: 1992

N64 launch: 1996, Zelda - OOT: 1998

GC launch: 2001, Zelda - TWW: 2003

Wii launch: 2006, Zelda - TP: 2006

Nintendo has done this before:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/08/16/zelda-delayed-to-next-year

With Twilight Princess being pushed in 2006, some Nintendo fans are wondering if the game might ultimately be killed for GameCube and instead repositioned as a launch title for Revolution, the Big N's next-generation platform. Revolution is set to launch sometime in the second half of 2006, according to sources. According to Kaplan, though, the game is still scheduled to ship for GameCube.

"In effect, because of the backward compatibility built into Revolution, every GameCube game also will be a Revolution title," she said. "But we feel a commitment to the GameCube owners who've been patiently awaiting this new Zelda title, and don't want to force them to wait and buy a brand new system in order to play the game."

That would make it a crossplatform Zelda, not an NX exclusive Zelda, that´s crazy to think, and only comes from the people that wants to see how Nintendo hurts his consumers without any precedent, just for the pleasure of the war.

And NX is not coming nex year, what if Nintende said that they were going to mobile without saying that they have a Nex X console coming in the future? What do you think? Yes, now everybody would be thinking that Nintendo is not on consoles anymore, that´s the only reason for them to say that the X console will exist. Is not necessarily coming next year.



Goodnightmoon said:
McDonaldsGuy said:


If the Wii U was going to get a Zelda game, it would have already got one by this year.

NES launch: (1983 in Japan) 1985, Zelda: 1986

SNES launch: 1991, Zelda - ALTTP: 1992

N64 launch: 1996, Zelda - OOT: 1998

GC launch: 2001, Zelda - TWW: 2003

Wii launch: 2006, Zelda - TP: 2006

Nintendo has done this before:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/08/16/zelda-delayed-to-next-year

With Twilight Princess being pushed in 2006, some Nintendo fans are wondering if the game might ultimately be killed for GameCube and instead repositioned as a launch title for Revolution, the Big N's next-generation platform. Revolution is set to launch sometime in the second half of 2006, according to sources. According to Kaplan, though, the game is still scheduled to ship for GameCube.

"In effect, because of the backward compatibility built into Revolution, every GameCube game also will be a Revolution title," she said. "But we feel a commitment to the GameCube owners who've been patiently awaiting this new Zelda title, and don't want to force them to wait and buy a brand new system in order to play the game."

That would make it a crossplatform Zelda, not an NX exclusive Zelda, that´s crazy to think, and only comes from the people that wants to see how Nintendo hurts his consumers without any precedent, just for the pleasure of the war.

And NX is not coming nex year, what if Nintende said that they were going to mobile without saying that they have a Nex X console coming in the future? What do you think? Yes, now everybody would be thinking that Nintendo is not on consoles anymore, that´s the only reason for them to say that the X console will exist. Is not necessarily coming next year.


When did they say it's not coming next year?

What is so special about 2017 or 2018? Have the video game gods blessed those years and only those years as some kind of special happening? 

Also explain to me how the consumer is hurt when more people will be able to enjoy and experience this Zelda game if it a dual platform release like Twilight Princess was (a move which no doubt meant the game probably sold double, maybe even triple what it would have otherwise allowing millions of more people to experience the game). 

Which is anti-consumer in actuality? The above, or a bitter, jaded minority of internet fanboys who want to keep the game stuck and hidden on a niche, tiny platform like the Wii U because they feel the "deserve" it like some elitist badge of honor. Why shouldn't the millions of NX owners not be able to enjoy it? Is their $50 worth any less? 



Soundwave said:
Goodnightmoon said:

That would make it a crossplatform Zelda, not an NX exclusive Zelda, that´s crazy to think, and only comes from the people that wants to see how Nintendo hurts his consumers without any precedent, just for the pleasure of the war.

And NX is not coming nex year, what if Nintende said that they were going to mobile without saying that they have a Nex X console coming in the future? What do you think? Yes, now everybody would be thinking that Nintendo is not on consoles anymore, that´s the only reason for them to say that the X console will exist. Is not necessarily coming next year.


When did they say it's not coming next year?

What is so special about 2017 or 2018? Have the video game gods blessed those years and only those years as some kind of special happening? 

That´s a big Fallacy.

So they have not said that is not coming on 2016... so sure is coming on 2016...

They have not said that is not coming on 2017, so.... sure is coming on 2017... wait...



Materia-Blade said:

"I'm saying that Nintendo are not a factor in the home console market; yes. That is a statement anyone in the world would be hard-pressed to counter right now, they're really not. It is not only interesting; it is also undeniable."

It's totally deniable because it's not true. Ignoring nintendo's presence on the market just baffles me.

"Are not a factor." vs "Ignoring Nintendo's presence." That's the only baffling part here, that and the fact that you always answer to only a couple of sentences and never, ever even once admit that someone of a different mind is ever right in any one thing, I have literally never seen that. I see valid points in other peoples arguments all the time because there usually are some, you just ignore actual points and arguments and play the semantics game or change the perimeters by setting up strawmen and other wasteful tactics, not to mention that you almost never construct any actual arguments of your own, you just say "You're wrong". This reply is no different in that sense.
If one never sees reason in anything others say; that means one is arguing simply for the sake of arguing and then it's not a discussion.
That makes it sort of hopeless to discuss things with you.

It is remarkably similar to another user I used to try to discuss with.