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Materia-Blade said:

"and gain a chance at actually becoming a factor in the market again"

you're saying nintendo is not a factor in the market? that's interesting.

"reat lack of news regarding Wii U and 3DS must-have software for the foreseeable future and not even a Direct for some time"

In case you didn't notice, E3 i around the corner AND we are getting news for the 2015 games.

I'm saying that Nintendo are not a factor in the home console market; yes. That is a statement anyone in the world would be hard-pressed to counter right now, they're really not. It is not only interesting; it is also undeniable.

Oh, I forgot about E3! What has been the biggest gripe of Wii U owners in the 8th gen? Games, games, games, game droughts extending through long periods, this has been as issue since launch and every year, Iwata and his biggest fans have chanted; "This will be the year of the Wii U", so far we've had two amazing "years of the Wii U", 2013 and 2014 and 2015 is said to be yet another one. Why on earth would Nintendo, in the desperate sales position they're in, shaky financial situation and losing more and more faith from even their most loyal followers "tease" their already tiny customer base by withholding news from the holidays until June? That would be a fantastically bad strategic move, were it on purpose, and you and I both better hope that the reason we aren't hearing much is that there isn't much due to their imminent plans of moving on, not that they have the extremely poor sense to not show it when it is the most needed, their quota for errors and misjudgements is spent a long time ago in the 8th gen.
You're more or less implying that Nintendo are pissing their fans off on purpose to up the suspense, as if keeping them angry for six months or more (hell, look at the biggest "Zelda U is delayed" thread for evidence of righteous fury incarnate) and then showing something at E3 would suddenly make everyone satisifed and smile, "Oh, you're so clever for hiding news from me and springing them on me like this, I love it when you do that and all is forgiven". This is not in any way better than simply moving forward with new hardware, upsetting many in the process; one of the solutions has a chance of success in the end, the other does not.

Upset them with new hardware and start over with actual potential for a rise to more power (and, not to mention; decent earnings again) or keep upsetting them for several more years by extended (and highly predictable) development times, poor 3rd party support, inferior online that still doesn't even feature a proper account system after 2.5 years on the market, lack of proper implementation of the Gamepad overall to justify its high cost and perhaps even its very existence, refusing to reduce the price and end up as completely and utterly irrelevant in the home console market within two years at the most.
Now is the time for Nintendo to be smart and think about their future, not base their entire company's fate on angry posters on internet forums and their contrived and entitled rules on console lifecycles and idle threats of abandoning the favorite brand should they choose to survive rather than keep pushing through a storm where there is no silver lining waiting at the end.

PS: What are some of these must-have software titles they've recently announced to sate gamers' thirst for new software and inflate the perceived value of the Wii U, what besides X and Splatoon and mere rumors of Star Fox that might possibly launch some time this year? The fact that these are the strongest cards to draw and show for this particular "year of the Wii U" speaks volumes of why I am right in stating that Nintendo are not a factor in the home console market. Why Splatoon and X is even marked as must-have titles by some in the first place is beyond me, they won't even make a difference in the long run and neither is likely to be a big hit, especially Splatoon will very likely be extremely niche.
"Rumors" and "unannounced titles that gamers will be very excited about" do not count, even in the slightest, I'm talking about what will be the real, tangible reason(s) that anyone who hasn't picked up a Wii U at this point should do it this year if they crave the last of Nintendo's huge franchises; the main course and not stale bread to chew while they keep on waiting for the software and things that really matter.

2014 was as good as it will ever get and they should keep moving and put the dreary 8th behind them as soon as possible. Instead of feverishly defending their hopeless position and poor decisions across the board, many would be better served by embracing the effort to solve the problems and the prospect of having an actual contender on the market to cheer for.
Should the OP be right and you are as a big a Nintendo fan as I think; you should be trilled at this possibility, more than anyone else even.



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I think worst-case, the new Zelda will release on both the NX and Wii U. There is no way that Nintendo would straight up cancel the Wii U version and port to NX. That would raise the ire of fans in terrifying ways especially since no proper Zelda has been released on the Wii U (unlike with the Gamecube).

 

Mummelmann said:

2014 was as good as it will ever get and they should keep moving and put the dreary 8th behind them as soon as possible. Instead of feverishly defending their hopeless position and poor decisions across the board, many would be better served by embracing the effort to solve the problems and the prospect of having an actual contender on the market to cheer for.
Should the OP be right and you are as a big a Nintendo fan as I think; you should be trilled at this possibility, more than anyone else even.


I see your point here, but I just wanted to remind you not to forget about Sega.  Sega had flops when it came to their hardward and this practice of moving on as soon as possible was disasterous.  The Wii U is basically Nintendo's Sega Saturn and Nintendo's next move is very important.  If Nintendo rushes NX too quickly, they will risk alienating their core base.

I think the pressure is off Nintendo somewhat now.  Moving into the mobile world almost guarantees them short-term profits and it's obvious that their shareholders are a lot less nervous now then they were 6 months ago.  Mobile also guarantees Nintendo a way to stay relevant with the younger generation even if their home console isn't blazing trails.  I agree that Nintendo needs to exit the Wii U, but that exit needs to be done gracefully.  There are 10 million very dedicated fans who took a risk buying a Wii U (myself included) and it's extremely important for Nintendo's repubility that these fans feel satisfied at the end of the Wii U's life.  The fact that the Wii U isn't getting 3rd party support makes it all the more important that Nintendo follows through on its 1st party commitments.   



Game is freaking huge, especially if compared with previous Zelda games,
they just cant finished this year if we don't want big empty world.

Beside that, NX is probably next handheld and maybe want come in 2016.



Miyamotoo said:
Game is freaking huge, especially if compared with previous Zelda games,
they just cant finished this year if we don't want big empty world.

Beside that, NX is probably next handheld and maybe want come in 2016.


NX probably isn't just one thing ... it's multiple device. 

But so what if its a handheld? What difference does that make. The Wii U being a quasi handheld itself (when you play off-screen, Wii U is basically a handheld) means porting is easy ... provided the handheld is powerful enough, by fall 2016 mobile chips that are as powerful as the Wii U maybe even moreso will be available. 



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Illusion said:

I think worst-case, the new Zelda will release on both the NX and Wii U. There is no way that Nintendo would straight up cancel the Wii U version and port to NX. That would raise the ire of fans in terrifying ways especially since no proper Zelda has been released on the Wii U (unlike with the Gamecube).

 

Mummelmann said:

2014 was as good as it will ever get and they should keep moving and put the dreary 8th behind them as soon as possible. Instead of feverishly defending their hopeless position and poor decisions across the board, many would be better served by embracing the effort to solve the problems and the prospect of having an actual contender on the market to cheer for.
Should the OP be right and you are as a big a Nintendo fan as I think; you should be trilled at this possibility, more than anyone else even.


I see your point here, but I just wanted to remind you not to forget about Sega.  Sega had flops when it came to their hardward and this practice of moving on as soon as possible was disasterous.  The Wii U is basically Nintendo's Sega Saturn and Nintendo's next move is very important.  If Nintendo rushes NX too quickly, they will risk alienating their core base.

I think the pressure is off Nintendo somewhat now.  Moving into the mobile world almost guarantees them short-term profits and it's obvious that their shareholders are a lot less nervous now then they were 6 months ago.  Mobile also guarantees Nintendo a way to stay relevant with the younger generation even if their home console isn't blazing trails.  I agree that Nintendo needs to exit the Wii U, but that exit needs to be done gracefully.  There are 10 million very dedicated fans who took a risk buying a Wii U (myself included) and it's extremely important for Nintendo's repubility that these fans feel satisfied at the end of the Wii U's life.  The fact that the Wii U isn't getting 3rd party support makes it all the more important that Nintendo follows through on its 1st party commitments.   


I don't see Nintendo's current situation as anywhere near as dire as SEGA's was back in the day, this post is interesting in that regard:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7178279

SEGA kept on making the same mistake over and over, if Nintendo were to pull another Wii U in the 9th gen and possibly yet another in the 10th gen (at which point consoles won't be what they are today, so that might be a pretty worthless imagined scenario) then they would have positioned themselves to be "sega'd" as people say. Nintendo were never in this grave a danger, they have also had the handheld division to lean on for decades, something SEGA never did and they made absurd amounts of money on the Wii and even made decent profits on the N64 and Gamecube despite low installed bases, another thing SEGA never accomplished.

Nothing about the Wii U, from launch and up until now has been graceful and I don't think having a graceful exit will make much of a difference when all is said and done. It really is important that Nintendo follow up their 1st party commitments but they have proven to be unable to do so with the 3DS - Wii U combo, which gives all the more reason to seek a solution where they can become more efficient to avoid the same problems in the future, and I believe that this is exactly what they're doing right now.

The way I see it; if they kept on pushing the Wii U up a futile hill, their head is more likely to end up on the chopping block than if they cut their losses and manage to jump into something profitable, viable from a developer standpoint and something that can regain the trust of consumers and their loyal fans. Is it a gamble? It it, I'm not denying that, but a gamble is better than maintaining a situation we know for a fact will end badly for all involed parties.
You can win at gambling; you cannot win with futility and displeasure from fans.



To be honest if Sega didn't run out of money, the Dreamcast may have very well outsold the GameCube and XBox to finish no.2 that generation.

They sold about 10 million between 1999-2001, they may well have been able to finish at around 25 million or so, which would've made them no.2 that generation had they not run out of money, lol.

When Nintendo releases Nintendo CD add-on for Wii U for $400 and then releases Nintendo 32X two years later and then releases a new system on top of that 8 months later then we can talk about them being Sega. 

The best selling game hardware from Sega, Nintendo, and Microsoft all actually came after shortened hardware cycles, so me that indicates this isn't as big of a deal as it's made out to be.

Sega - Best selling hardware is the Genesis (33-40 million), was released three years after it predacessor the Sega Master System. 

Microsoft - Best selling hardware is the XBox 360 (80 million and counting) was released four years after its predacessor the XBox. 

Nintendo - Best selling hardware is the Nintendo DS (150 million) was released 3 1/2 years after its predacessor Game Boy Advance. 

MS waited too long to release the XBox One this gen. Should've launched in fall 2012 to get a one year headstart with no optional Kinect. 



Soundwave said:

To be honest if Sega didn't run out of money, the Dreamcast may have very well outsold the GameCube and XBox to finish no.2 that generation.

They sold about 10 million between 1999-2001, they may well have been able to finish at around 25 million or so, which would've made them no.2 that generation had they not run out of money, lol.

When Nintendo releases Nintendo CD add-on for Wii U for $400 and then releases Nintendo 32X two years later and then releases a new system on top of that 8 months later then we can talk about them being Sega. 

The best selling game hardware from Sega, Nintendo, and Microsoft all actually came after shortened hardware cycles, so me that indicates this isn't as big of a deal as it's made out to be.

Sega - Best selling hardware is the Genesis (33-40 million), was released three years after it predacessor the Sega Master System. 

Microsoft - Best selling hardware is the XBox 360 (80 million and counting) was released four years after its predacessor the XBox. 

Nintendo - Best selling hardware is the Nintendo DS (150 million) was released 3 1/2 years after its predacessor Game Boy Advance. 

MS waited too long to release the XBox One this gen. Should've launched in fall 2012 to get a one year headstart with no optional Kinect. 

Dreamcast might not have outsold them but it certainly would have been in the same sales range, each around 20 million give or take.

But ya, releasing a Wii U successor in 2016 is not at all comparable to what Sega was pulling from 1994-1998 where it was one horrible mistake after another.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Not the same situation. The Gamecube had a full-fledged Zelda title and Wii U doesn't. Not to mention that the lifecycle would be much shorter than any other Nintendo console, risking alienation from their customers.

All in all, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it doesn't seem THAT obvious. Not at all. You are hereby demoted from Captain to Private Obvious.



It'll be awhile before I figure out how to do one of these. :P 

zelmusario said:
Not the same situation. The Gamecube had a full-fledged Zelda title and Wii U doesn't. Not to mention that the lifecycle would be much shorter than any other Nintendo console, risking alienation from their customers.

All in all, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it doesn't seem THAT obvious. Not at all. You are hereby demoted from Captain to Private Obvious.


Being shorter than previous generations doesn't really matter considering the last 3 Nintendo consoles have gotten horrible support after the 4th year. So why not just just off that final 5th year? As long as 2016 has a handful of Nintendo published titles than no reason why not to release a successor in holiday 2016.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.