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GreyPoupons on 19 March 2015
Mr Khan said:
bunchanumbers said:
curl-6 said:

When we MS ever king of th gaming market?


The only window I can think of them being in a dominant position was during the first 2 or 3 years of the 360s life. But they were still outsold by the Nintendo Wii and were plagued with the RROD. So although they had good sales and had some great games even then it wasn't a clear win.

They had a 2-year E3 dominance streak in 2008-2009, but haven't won a one of them since. Last year they were competitive, but ultimately outshined by Nintendo's gamer outreach. This could be their year, though, as the OP indicates.

They were outshined by sony as well, like most years, MS has always had weak e3's, way too many multiplats, weak first party for new ip's. Only time MS was ever in good position was when sony was dropping the ball early on with ps3.



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Mr Khan on 19 March 2015
GreyPoupons said:
Mr Khan said:

They had a 2-year E3 dominance streak in 2008-2009, but haven't won a one of them since. Last year they were competitive, but ultimately outshined by Nintendo's gamer outreach. This could be their year, though, as the OP indicates.

They were outshined by sony as well, like most years, MS has always had weak e3's, way too many multiplats, weak first party for new ip's. Only time MS was ever in good position was when sony was dropping the ball early on with ps3.

Nah, Sony dropped the ball last year. That "Powers" segment was downright painful, and then they had the weakest holiday lineup of anyone, and Microsoft showed more of Halo than they did of Uncharted.

It was Sony's first full-on E3 loss since 2004.



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GreyPoupons on 19 March 2015
Mr Khan said:
GreyPoupons said:
Mr Khan said:
 

They had a 2-year E3 dominance streak in 2008-2009, but haven't won a one of them since. Last year they were competitive, but ultimately outshined by Nintendo's gamer outreach. This could be their year, though, as the OP indicates.

They were outshined by sony as well, like most years, MS has always had weak e3's, way too many multiplats, weak first party for new ip's. Only time MS was ever in good position was when sony was dropping the ball early on with ps3.

Nah, Sony dropped the ball last year. That "Powers" segment was downright painful, and then they had the weakest holiday lineup of anyone, and Microsoft showed more of Halo than they did of Uncharted.

It was Sony's first full-on E3 loss since 2004.


No...sonys only issue was it was too long, they still showed more games then MS. Weakest holiday is not a thing..games all year count and in that regard sony delivered. More of halo then uncharted WTF does that even mean? Sony showed bloodborne which is betetr then anything MS showed. Not to mention a bigger indie focus. 

 

You are confusing pacing twith content...Sony still had better content then MS at e3 by far, and TGS and gamescom were blowouts for sony..>Sony does not blow it's wad at e3 like MS.



Mr Khan on 19 March 2015
GreyPoupons said:
Mr Khan said:

Nah, Sony dropped the ball last year. That "Powers" segment was downright painful, and then they had the weakest holiday lineup of anyone, and Microsoft showed more of Halo than they did of Uncharted.

It was Sony's first full-on E3 loss since 2004.


No...sonys only issue was it was too long, they still showed more games then MS. Weakest holiday is not a thing..games all year count and in that regard sony delivered. More of halo then uncharted WTF does that even mean? Sony showed bloodborne which is betetr then anything MS showed. Not to mention a bigger indie focus. 

 

You are confusing pacing twith content...Sony still had better content then MS at e3 by far, and TGS and gamescom were blowouts for sony..>Sony does not blow it's wad at e3 like MS.

Yay, last word!

Weakest holiday is quite important, because you're only building vague hype for a lesser future. Microsoft built more hype that day, and showed they were ready to be competitive. Sony was much more subdued.



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Samus Aran on 19 March 2015
Lawlight said:
Samus Aran said:

How much money do you think Sony made of the PS3?

PS3 is by far the biggest loser of the seventh generation. 


And yet it's still alive while the Wii died a while ago.

And yet the Wii is still 20 million units  ahead despite having died years ago.

The PS3 cost Sony billions of dollars, the Wii earned Nintendo many more billions of dollars.

It's pretty clear who won and lost last gen.



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Samus Aran on 19 March 2015
Mr Khan said:
GreyPoupons said:
Mr Khan said:
 

They had a 2-year E3 dominance streak in 2008-2009, but haven't won a one of them since. Last year they were competitive, but ultimately outshined by Nintendo's gamer outreach. This could be their year, though, as the OP indicates.

They were outshined by sony as well, like most years, MS has always had weak e3's, way too many multiplats, weak first party for new ip's. Only time MS was ever in good position was when sony was dropping the ball early on with ps3.

Nah, Sony dropped the ball last year. That "Powers" segment was downright painful, and then they had the weakest holiday lineup of anyone, and Microsoft showed more of Halo than they did of Uncharted.

It was Sony's first full-on E3 loss since 2004.

E3 2006 likes to have a word with you.



bunchanumbers on 19 March 2015
Samus Aran said:
Mr Khan said:
GreyPoupons said:
Mr Khan said:
 

They had a 2-year E3 dominance streak in 2008-2009, but haven't won a one of them since. Last year they were competitive, but ultimately outshined by Nintendo's gamer outreach. This could be their year, though, as the OP indicates.

They were outshined by sony as well, like most years, MS has always had weak e3's, way too many multiplats, weak first party for new ip's. Only time MS was ever in good position was when sony was dropping the ball early on with ps3.

Nah, Sony dropped the ball last year. That "Powers" segment was downright painful, and then they had the weakest holiday lineup of anyone, and Microsoft showed more of Halo than they did of Uncharted.

It was Sony's first full-on E3 loss since 2004.

E3 2006 likes to have a word with you.


Oh yes. the infamous RIIIIIDDDDGGGEEEE RAAAAACCCCCEEEERRR!!!! presentation. Wow Nintendo destroyed Sony that year.



Samus Aran on 19 March 2015
bunchanumbers said:
Samus Aran said:

E3 2006 likes to have a word with you.


Oh yes. the infamous RIIIIIDDDDGGGEEEE RAAAAACCCCCEEEERRR!!!! presentation. Wow Nintendo destroyed Sony that year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

:p



Barkley on 19 March 2015
Samus Aran said:
Lawlight said:


And yet it's still alive while the Wii died a while ago.

And yet the Wii is still 20 million units  ahead despite having died years ago.

The PS3 cost Sony billions of dollars, the Wii earned Nintendo many more billions of dollars.


I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about here, yes the ps3 hardware was sold at a loss for a long time, (until July 2010 when it began selling for a profit.) But if you're implying the PlayStation 3 lost sony money after the whole generation you are terribly wrong. Did they make as much money as Nintendo last genreation? Hell no.



BigT on 19 March 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
BigT said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Yeah, but it sucks that one individual opinion sways E3. I've seen Nintendo win E3 before and those tend to be Nintendo's best years for gamers. Sony has the sales, but as far as games are concerned I cannot say whether I believe they deserve it even as a PS4 and Xbox One owner. I can definitely see that better days are coming as I know Sony are late bloomers. That whole "Greatness Awaits" thing is so true with them, because we're always left waiting. Microsoft always bursts out the gate with third party exclusives. Look at the Xbox, 360 and now the One. Microsoft is investing in new IP's but the new ones I hope survive this war and give birth to sequels are Quantum Break and Scalebound. I believe with all of my heart that Gears 4 will have a CG trailer at the next E3 so a lot is riding on what happens here. E3 can affect the holiday expectations of sales within certain brands. Fourth quarter matters a lot though and thats where Microsoft tends to win. I fear less for Microsoft on fourth quarter. I am playing my Xbox One right now much more than my PS4. Hands down MS has come to the show ready to fight. The question is will Sony live up to their great name and show some fight? Right now they are missing punches while Microsoft is throwing all of the landing blows. Nintendo is just fighting to get noticed.

What blows have microsoft landed on the PS4? Did i miss something?


I am talking abou the principle of the matter. Just because you're winning it doesnt mean you should sit on your ass. Look at how Sony turned the tables on Microsoft. They were behind by like eight million consoles and year after year they kept cutting down the gap. Anything can happen. When you own both consoles you tend to notice the difference between your time on both.

I agree with you 100%. I am thankful everyday that Microsoft pushed a anticonsumer product and forced Sony to back away from the same tactics.

 

For me its exciting to see E3 beceause we know the PS4 has alot of developers working on projects that we only hear rumors about. AS far as Microsoft, the wash and repeat stradegy works well for them. they also have a tendancy to tell you all the games being worked on just to get you hyped even though they are probably years away and also leaving no surprises.