It's funny how so many Muslims criticize the Middle East so much and talk about how much better the western world is and how we should be more like them, but when they immigrate there they try and turn those countries to to the Middle East 2.0.

I'm a believer that when someone immigrates to a country they should adopt that countries tradition. In my country most immigrants are spread out so they embrace our culture and become like us. I've friends from most religions and race and we all act and think in the same way. The social and cultural problems occur when the minority immigrants are grouped together and not integrated into society properly.

Yes but these people are already in europe and wheter we want to or not we have to live with them. Now we can either alianate and criminalize them, which imo plays into the hands of IS and such since oppressed people are more likely to act up and easier radicalized. Or we find a way to coexist, which is what austria is trying to do.

Those people are here, they belive in the islam and they are not goint to stop beliveing in it. So any debate wheter we want the islam or not is basicly uselsess since we already have it. The point where action need to be taken is in how it develops and grows in the western world and trying to integrate it. And by that i don't mean to accept sharia or bs like that but support moderate islamism and try to prevent radicalism but that can't be donne from the outside but needs to be donne together with the islamic comunity.

What, are they trying to push laws that turn Europeans into Muslims or something? Come on.

What do you smoke guys
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Anyway, the problem is not that the immigrants somewhat clog up the demographic black holes which are megapolises (in a dozen years they'll go to china instead, GL with finding anyone to work in EU), it's that the white rural areas are way too overmechanized, so instead of being self-sufficient and provide demographic surplus to cities like rural population everywhere else does, they burn 9 calories of oil to make 1 calorie of food and cry for more subsidies.

You've not read most it did you a greater ammount of mixing a single culture in Europe wih the Western one will mean a direct change of politics in Europe since our political system is based on political parties if large groups of muslims will vote for a big single muslim party or win votes by being muslim supportive that is possible in Europe or better said the way our politics work. When that happens and it probably will in one hundred years Europe will become a hybrid continent with a lot of friction between parties since people can't live all to well together when they are culturally different. Look at Israel, The Middle East, Africa to many (or some not very well mixing) cultures on a small area results in friction.

And then mixing cultures will convert to driving out the original ones like we did in the US, New Zealand and Canada and I take it you don't care to much for our Jews either since antisemitism is already going trough the roof, imagine a further mixing. We've accepted muslims best way we can yet thousands (4 or 5 by now) are fighting for IS right now well being born and raised in Europe and imagine what happens when they come back.  We've seen the events in Paris and Copenhagen, believing this will not happen again is delussive, yet taking a passport isn't possible anymore. 

We've had a al-sharia party in Belgium trying to make al-sharia law in Belgium, with a great number of muslims such a party could actually sit in the government.

Religion is mostly a set of laws, not much unlike the american constitution, but under the guise of so called higher powers and such.

a constituion might state that public drinking should be banned, because of so and so, and a religion might state the same, because its supposedly the gods will and such.

most religions are laws put into practice as to how one should live, and what not to do. And if you deter from the texts, you are breaking the code, or in a constituion, the law. 

If you break constitutional laws, you go to jail, if you break religious laws, you go to "hell". 

Problem arises when the constitutinal law, and the religious laws are opposing one another. And laws have little to do with culture.

Problem is there a pretty much black and white (high)schools in The Netherlands since most neighborhoods or mostly white but a few especially in major city's are almost fully colored so that they're not mixing at all. As long as they remain isolated which is probably going to be a long time they will not really Westernise the fact we had a pro IS demonstration in the Netherlands and Antisemitism is climbing through the roof, proves this is barely the the case.

People won't adapt/change unless you make them to, which is common sociobiology since people don't like change they prefer stability. Which is in their own rights but that does mean that we shouldn't ve to much mixing of one culture with another to prevent wriction and irritation resulting in agression and radicalisation between two cultures.

Right. Good thing you don't have to opt in to being a Muslim, right? Making all their religious "laws" completely irrelevant to you. There's absolutely no problem with constitutunal and religious law opposing each other. There is no law forcing Muslims to eat pork or forcing non-muslims to read the Quran, right? So I'm sorry, but I'm not at all seeing the real issue.