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Samus Aran said:
BasiltheBatLord said:


it's really sad that the "go play an actual guitar" argument has permeated this thread but allow me to butt in here:

i started playing drums just before i started playing Rock Band for the first time.  in my beginner years Rock Band was a crucial component to my development as a player, primarily due to the exposure the game gave me to so many common drum parts across so many different styles and genres.  it wasn't so much that the game opened me up to listen to other artists, it was just that it allowed me to understand so much more what is expected of percussion in certain styles, certain genres, certain players etc.  btw the whole reason this is possible is because expert charts, (at least for drums) are almost always note-by-note accurate.  it helped increase my speed over time too but the former is more important imo.  i'm now a semi-professional player who's recorded on several albums and i have never forgotten about the influence that Rock Band had on me as a player in my formative years.  whenever new players ask me for advice in learning drums, i always include Rock Band in my advice. because of this experience, everytime i see the"go play a real instrument" argument, i just come to the conclusion that the person saying that doesn't know what they're taking about.

I play the guitar, GH and RB is nothing like playing a guitar. 

Anyway this franchise was a fad. It has been milked dry already.

 

Yeah I think in general the whole instrumental games fad is mostly dead. 

People got tired of having 800 different plastic accessories sitting around in their living room. 



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Samus Aran said:
Runa216 said:

Just like how Nintendo should sue Sega for making a platformer. 

or whoever should be sued for Doom for being a Wolfenstein copy? 

or whoever else should be sued for making a puzzle game not tetris? 

Or sued for making an open world game not Grand Theft auto? 

or making an MMO that isn't Everquest or Ultima Online? (I honestly don't know what one came first)

So yeah, keep the stupid out of our thread, thanks.  Making a game in the same genre is not a copy.  That's how Genres work. 

Except these games are pretty much the same. Sonic isn't even remotely similar to Mario. Even when Sega tried to desperately copy Super Mario Galaxy with Sonic Lost World the result was very different.

They're about the 'same' as Battlefield and Call of Duty.  Same basic gameplay and controls, but a lot different to those who play them, and each is very unique, for better or for worse. different ways to strategize, the way band members interact is different, dfferent gameplay mechanics on each instrument, different scoring systems, etc.  Lots of subtle differences. 

Yet I doubt you could tell the difference between Call of Duty Ghosts and Battlefield 4. Even Rock band/Guitar Hero have different aesthetic looks. 



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Runa216 said:

Yet I doubt you could tell the difference between Call of Duty Ghosts and Battlefield 4. Even Rock band/Guitar Hero have different aesthetic looks. 


They also have a different ethos (from GH3 when Neversoft took the helm). Whereby Rock Band is a lot more strict in it's timings but has simpler (and often more accurate) note patters, it's clearly all about being more authentic to the source material. Guitar Hero on the other hand fixated a lot more on complicated crowded note patterns, but was a lot more generous with the timings and nowhere near as authentic to the songs.

I love how Samus keeps calling music/rhythm games a fad, yet they have been going decades and since long before Guitar Hero hit the market. And there are still plenty of them coming out now, though not always with peripherals to accompany them.



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MikeRox said:
Runa216 said:

Yet I doubt you could tell the difference between Call of Duty Ghosts and Battlefield 4. Even Rock band/Guitar Hero have different aesthetic looks. 


They also have a different ethos (from GH3 when Neversoft took the helm). Whereby Rock Band is a lot more strict in it's timings but has simpler (and often more accurate) note patters, it's clearly all about being more authentic to the source material. Guitar Hero on the other hand fixated a lot more on complicated crowded note patterns, but was a lot more generous with the timings and nowhere near as authentic to the songs.

I love how Samus keeps calling music/rhythm games a fad, yet they have been going decades and since long before Guitar Hero hit the market. And there are still plenty of them coming out now, though not always with peripherals to accompany them.

I'm not calling rhytm games a fad, but GH and RB.

Why would you even care for a new game in this series? They're all the same.You won't miss a thing by playing the old ones.



Samus Aran said:

I'm not calling rhytm games a fad, but GH and RB.

Why would you even care for a new game in this series? They're all the same.You won't miss a thing by playing the old ones.


Because I still play it, but it's a pain in the arse having to set an old console up for it. To get it put across onto my PS4 and have access to my entire song library (over 300) is fantastic and if some more of my favourite music appears on it too, more the better!

Anything that brings new content (because there are so many songs I still would love to see aded to the library) is more than welcome. I was gutted when the DLC dried up a couple of years back, but understood why it had to happen.

A new Rock Band launcher disc that is just a portal to your music on current platforms is a great idea. It'll bring new people to the game because there is a new wave of gamers who weren't old enough for video games when these games were last doing the rounds in any meaningful way. It lets existing fans like myself easily reaccess their collections without faffing around and being a one off disc rather than the iterational approach publishers forced on the genre last time round will make it a lot more palletable for people.

It was clear from the original Rock Band that Harmonix just wanted 1 product, with the revenue then coming from the store. However we were still in a very physically driven market back then. Now that digital is a lot more accessible to the masses, it's a route that makes a lot more sense. Tbh I'd probably just buy the actual software off PSN too so it was always available on my console.



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MikeRox said:
Samus Aran said:

I'm not calling rhytm games a fad, but GH and RB.

Why would you even care for a new game in this series? They're all the same.You won't miss a thing by playing the old ones.


Because I still play it, but it's a pain in the arse having to set an old console up for it. To get it put across onto my PS4 and have access to my entire song library (over 300) is fantastic and if some more of my favourite music appears on it too, more the better!

Anything that brings new content (because there are so many songs I still would love to see aded to the library) is more than welcome. I was gutted when the DLC dried up a couple of years back, but understood why it had to happen.

A new Rock Band launcher disc that is just a portal to your music on current platforms is a great idea. It'll bring new people to the game because there is a new wave of gamers who weren't old enough for video games when these games were last doing the rounds in any meaningful way. It lets existing fans like myself easily reaccess their collections without faffing around and being a one off disc rather than the iterational approach publishers forced on the genre last time round will make it a lot more palletable for people.

It was clear from the original Rock Band that Harmonix just wanted 1 product, with the revenue then coming from the store. However we were still in a very physically driven market back then. Now that digital is a lot more accessible to the masses, it's a route that makes a lot more sense. Tbh I'd probably just buy the actual software off PSN too so it was always available on my console.

Makes sense, one RB per generation is all you need though. They went overboard last gen. The rest should be dlc.



bummed about this decision - i might have to throw away my wii compatible plastic instruments finally.

also surprised - there's no data that supports the fact that RB 4 wouldn't sell on Wii U. Comparable franchises (JD) sells better on Nintendo consoles now than anywhere else. There is a market for this game.



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champybh said:
bummed about this decision - i might have to throw away my wii compatible plastic instruments finally.

also surprised - there's no data that supports the fact that RB 4 wouldn't sell on Wii U. Comparable franchises (JD) sells better on Nintendo consoles now than anywhere else. There is a market for this game.


Just Dance is not a comparable franchise. Guitar Hero is and Just Dance is not the series anyone should be following an example of as that series long fell of sales and relevance wise



It is just a lame excuse that there isn't a market for Wii U. Just say directly that we don't want to built a game for this console. They've mentioned that old instruments would work on the new gen (or at least try to make it work)
So wii owners that have these plastic RB instruments is already a target group of consumers. Which can also translate into console buyers for this game since the old instrument would work... The Wii game itself is backward compatible just make that version work in Wii U with an update plus new DLCs... Still money generation to me...



champybh said:
bummed about this decision - i might have to throw away my wii compatible plastic instruments finally.

also surprised - there's no data that supports the fact that RB 4 wouldn't sell on Wii U. Comparable franchises (JD) sells better on Nintendo consoles now than anywhere else. There is a market for this game.


They conducted research with their active community. Wii U was one of the platforms listed when they both asked what formats you own and what format you would purchase Rock Band 4 on. They also asked things like do you want to use/buy new instruments or existing? 

 

Chuck in the fact that you can ALREADY play Rock Band on Wii U and it seems perfectly logical to leave the Wii U version for now.



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