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starcraft on 09 March 2008

I doubt a 500gb hdd will ever make it too the 360, but there are certainly people that would use it if it did. Mainly people that download movies and television shows. Also, if installs ever become an option on the Xbox 360 the extra space would be nice. But I agree that a 250gb or a 320gb would be far more reasonable for mass market users and far cheaper given 500gb laptop HDD's apparent non-existence?



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starcraft on 09 March 2008
Untamoi said:
 

 

MS sells too little hardware to have enough power to threaten HDD suppliers. There are dozens bigger customers for HDD suppliers, especially several PC manufacturers. Even if MS would switch supplier it would have limited effect for most suppliers. I doubt any big HDD supplier would be ready to take losses instead of MS. Also there aren't that many HDD manufacturers as you may think. There are less than 10 big HDD manufacturers anymore and all others are too small to produce enough HDD's for MS.

Anyway, most people interested about consoles don't really care about HDD size.

I never said that they would take a loss, just that Microsoft wouldn't volunteer to take the costs of changing over a production facility.  Right now they are buying a product (20gb HDD's).  They would simply stop buying that product, and ask to buy another product (60 or 120gb HDD's).  If the company can supply them, why would they say no?

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crumas2 on 09 March 2008
Username2324 said:
 
Do you realize that these companies have to make money back from all of the money, time and research they invest into creating these technologies? Do you realize creating a 20GB harddrive is different from creating a 60GB? They require different manufacturing lines, different technologies to create.

Have I ever claimed to know everything? No, it may seem that way to you since you know nothing.

Listen, Microsoft has already lost a ton of money on hardware as it is, they are not about to go back to losing money on hardware again.

If Microsoft wanted to push the digital download service they wouldn't offer a console with no harddrive, now would they? Use your freakin' head moron.

 


This is a little puzzling.  No one is talking about a microprocessor line that requires expensive new production/assembly technology.   The kind of switchover you're referring to would be very inexpensive for a decent third party manufacturer to add to the existing line.  The total incremental cost to MS would probably be below $5 per unit.

Also, the cost of going from a 120 GB to a 200 GB would now be negligible. I'm thinking the most likely scenario would be to replace the 20 GB with the 120 GB (already in production) and then replace the 120 GB with a 160 GB or 200 GB.  MS' incremental cost on the latter would likely be about $10 (at OEM prices for the internal drive).  Considering their other costs have been dropping, I think they will also add a $50-$75 console price reduction.



gebx on 09 March 2008
Username2324 said:
gebx said:
Username2324 said:
A 20GB laptop drive costs virtually nothing, so if your $40 guesstimate is correct (highly unlikely), that'd drive production costs up $40, and would either eliminate the possibility of a price cut, or put Microsoft in the red once again.

There's simply no need for the Elite to have a 250GB harddrive, I can't even fill up the 160GB drive I put in my PS3.

No matter how much you want it to happen, it won't. Any harddrive increase on the 360 would be the Premium from 20GB to 60GB because that wouldn't cost hardly anything for MS. Just deal with it.

Really? could you tell me where i can pick up a 20gig HDD for virtually nothing? That would be great! For someone who keeps claiming he knows everything, who do seems kind of short on the business side of things. You do realize that manufacturing plants still pay the same wages, utilities, shipping, and all basic costs no matter what size HDD they create right??

 

If MS wants to push the digital download service then they're going to have to offer more then 60gigs to its customers. I don't see why they would spend all this energy and money on such a small upgrade that will have to be done all over again in two years to stay competitive.

 

 

 

Do you realize that these companies have to make money back from all of the money, time and research they invest into creating these technologies? Do you realize creating a 20GB harddrive is different from creating a 60GB? They require different manufacturing lines, different technologies to create.

Have I ever claimed to know everything? No, it may seem that way to you since you know nothing.

Listen, Microsoft has already lost a ton of money on hardware as it is, they are not about to go back to losing money on hardware again.

If Microsoft wanted to push the digital download service they wouldn't offer a console with no harddrive, now would they? Use your freakin' head moron.

 

 

Edit: bah already beat to it...

 

That's right, but the basic costs of manufacturing is still there, again find me a 20gig that costs nothing?

The Arcade version is for family's and casual gamers who are less likely to embrace digital content. Its a easy way for them to get into gaming without paying extra for something they might never use.

And we don't know if MS is making money on consoles yet. Could they take on a $30 loss when they think they could make it all back in Xbox Live revenues?



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gebx on 09 March 2008
crumas2 said:
Username2324 said:
 
Do you realize that these companies have to make money back from all of the money, time and research they invest into creating these technologies? Do you realize creating a 20GB harddrive is different from creating a 60GB? They require different manufacturing lines, different technologies to create.

Have I ever claimed to know everything? No, it may seem that way to you since you know nothing.

Listen, Microsoft has already lost a ton of money on hardware as it is, they are not about to go back to losing money on hardware again.

If Microsoft wanted to push the digital download service they wouldn't offer a console with no harddrive, now would they? Use your freakin' head moron.

 


This is a little puzzling. No one is talking about a microprocessor line that requires expensive new production/assembly technology. The kind of switchover you're referring to would be very inexpensive for a decent third party manufacturer to add to the existing line. The total incremental cost to MS would probably be below $5 per unit.

Also, the cost of going from a 120 GB to a 200 GB would now be negligible. I'm thinking the most likely scenario would be to replace the 20 GB with the 120 GB (already in production) and then replace the 120 GB with a 160 GB or 200 GB. MS' incremental cost on the latter would likely be about $10 (at OEM prices for the internal drive). Considering their other costs have been dropping, I think they will also add a $50-$75 console price reduction.


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Username2324 on 09 March 2008

This has gone far off topic. The point is it'd cost more than MS would be willing to pay to go to 120GB in the premiums and 250GB, so as I have said many many times, the most likely thing to happen is the premium get's upped to 60GB.



Grahamhsu on 09 March 2008

I'd rather have the same harddrives and a 360 price drop, cmon MS it's been 2 years and you only do the 50 dollar drop!




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