But Wii U has the gamepad! Its the only console that tries to innovate in this generation and Nintendo's first party games are so unique and have nintendo's quality seal.

Sarcasm you know.

Nintendo's fucked because they make good games!

They should go third party and make shitty ones!

Chop them up, make them more pretty, charge hellish prices and they'll own the hearts of the hardcores.

Skully, you've done it again.

Never? Every generation winner up until the PS4 has won on the strength of exclusives to a certain extent, PS2 being the iffy-ist of those, but still getting a hell of a lot of games that nobody even bothered making for Xbox or GameCube simply because it sold so much (though that's a chicken-or-the-egg). But exclusives were foundational to NES, SNES, PS1 (with the migrated 3rd party games), and especially Wii.

What this generation shows us is simply that critical hits don't sell consoles necessarily, but that's far away from meaning that exclusives don't sell consoles.

Seriously bro, i'd stay well out of Nintendo-related threads with your mod history.

Must own doesn't mean or imply every one owns it, it just means that the game is good enough that everybody should play it.

As for the so called "Repeats", thats whats interesting with Nintendo. They do have their core franchises, but that doesn't mean they are rehashing anything. Despite the familiar name, these games often bring a lot of new mechanics and ideas to the table. Now, when I look at new IPs across the board what do I see? More often then not, I just see games doing the same thing that others have done countless times, simply with a different name. More often than not, these new IPs come in crowded genres, and really don't break new ground in them.

Look at Mario games and how many different styles are there? Look at Kirby games like Canvas Curse, Epic Yarn, Mass Attack etc...All of those could have easily been new IPs with the amount of new and interesting ideas that were in each of those games, despite falling under the same IP as more traditional Kirby games like Return to Dreamland. Compare Metroid Prime to Other M to Super Metroid and Fusion. Compare Kid Icarus Uprising to KI 1 and 2. Nobody reinvents their franchises like Nintendo, and even within the scope of these familiar names, they have more new ideas than most new IPs.

Really, I haven't seen any new IPs on the PS4 which did anything new, especially when looked at next to games on Wii U like Super Mario 3D World/Kirby's Rainbow Curse (both huge expansions on a handheld game, which had a lot of really interesting ideas) or Splatoon/W101/ZombiU (all interesting new IPs which actually had new ideas in them). I think you could make the argument that D4 and Sunset Overdrive are intersting and unique on the XBO side, but honestly, I haven't seen much on Sony's side.

uncharted 3 is at 6.6.

You guys are missing the point. It's zelda vs UNCHARTED. How is Sony even competing?

Reviews do not determine if a game is quality made or a flop since it's completely subjective. The majority of gamers take reviewers opinions with a grain of salt. From the business prospective, if a game or product sells well then it's considered a success.

Uncharted is easily one of the biggest new IPs over the last decade...why is it surprising?

Or maybe those games arent as perfect as some people like to think? or they just dont like them. Vice versa. ITs all subjective