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mZuzek said:
Skullwaker said:

Agreed. That's what they get when they try to make Zelda have realistic graphics. The games that age the best never attempt to emulate real life, which is why Zelda U won't look outdated in 5 years.

It's kinda funny cause when you think about it, Zelda Wii U does look pretty realistic. Aside from all the bright colors and cel-shading and stuff, but out of the said """"cartoony"""" Zelda games it's by far the most realistic.

Oh, I've always thought that. Like, Wind Waker is a straight up cartoon, basically. But Zelda U is like a cartoon based on real life. Much more realistic than Wind Waker or Skyward Sword, but not as realistic as Twilight Princess. Which is why people say it's basically melting WW and TP's graphics together.



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Hiku said:
DanneSandin said:
Hiku said:
DanneSandin said:
Curmudgeon said:

Just curious, but why do you expect MM have a steep decline compared to ALBW?

(btw, I'm not saying it will definately beat ALBW anything)

I dont actually know how steep a decline ALBW had, but in two weeks still game will drop of fairly quickly Id guess. The Zelda faithfuls will by then have bought the game, as will the early N3DS adaptors. I can see MM selling roughly 2-3m all in all, but never to catch up to ALBW

That didn't answer his question though. You basically just repeated what you said earlier. He asked why you think MM will sell worse than ALBW. (Which would be an effect of having a steeper decline, since that is what your assumption is.)

What he asked was why I thought MM would have a steep decline compared to ALBW, and I gave my reasoning: the hype will die off when the hardcore fans have gotten thier copies. Granted, the game will most certainly still sell quite well after the first few weeks.

as for why I think MM will sell less than ALBW: VERY few remakes manages to even come close to the original game - Super Mario 64 DS is the only one I can remember right now. Most remakes sell about half of the original games sales. MM sits at around 3.6m I think, so half of that would be 1.8m. OoT3D sits at 3.5m or something, while the original is at 7.6m - so about half.

We have to remember that MM is the darling amongst Zelda fans, not so amongst most other gamers, thats why the sales are so high now and while it wont reach ALBW sales.

What I mean is, you didn't explain why the hype will die down sooner after the hardcore fans get MM, compared to when the hardcore fans got ALBW. What makes you think so?

Although now you mention the sales of remakes, so perhaps that's your reason?
Regarding that, it's also important to look at things like instal base of the consoles, availability, and other factors.
Majora's Mask is a bit of a special case in this regard. Because there's a rather important factor that many people overlook. Even here on this forum, I've seen two topic creators analyzing potential sales compared to the N64 version, an they both missed the fact that Majora's Mask required the Expansion Pack, which cost $50. Making the game essentially $120 to anyone who didn't already have one. And considering how few games supported it, let alone required it, chanses were people didn't have one. Hardcore Zelda fans could surely burn the extra money to get the game they desired. But MM on N64 was a much tougher sell for the rest.
However, for 3DS, it's a lot more accessible, and much more heavily advertised. Not to mention 3DS has a much bigger instal base. So I wouldn't be sure it falls under the "half sales" category. Though I don't think it's much of a casual appealing game, that's for sure. But I wouldn't be surprised if it passes ALBW.

Im on my mobile, so maybe you could trim the quote tree since I cant? :)

My reasoning for MM selling less than ALBW is because its perhaps the most hardcore Zelda title there is (one of them anyways) which limits its appeal; more casual gamers wont buy it as much as. ALBW is more approachable so to speak. So theres to factors to consider: its a hardcore title and its a remake. Thatll limit the appeal of the game and thus the sales. But itll still sell 2-3m.

I think you bring up a very good point regarding the expansion pack! That would most certainly have been a limiting factor for MM back in the day, and might mean quite a few people will pick it up this time around. However I still doubt itll catch up to ALBW, no matter the install base or the lack of expansion packs. It might get close, but in the end MM is a remade hardcore title.



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Samus Aran said:
DanneSandin said:

What he asked was why I thought MM would have a steep decline compared to ALBW, and I gave my reasoning: the hype will die off when the hardcore fans have gotten thier copies. Granted, the game will most certainly still sell quite well after the first few weeks.

as for why I think MM will sell less than ALBW: VERY few remakes manages to even come close to the original game - Super Mario 64 DS is the only one I can remember right now. Most remakes sell about half of the original games sales. MM sits at around 3.6m I think, so half of that would be 1.8m. OoT3D sits at 3.5m or something, while the original is at 7.6m - so about half.

We have to remember that MM is the darling amongst Zelda fans, not so amongst most other gamers, thats why the sales are so high now and while it wont reach ALBW sales.

MM has four things going for it:

- Bigger userbase than N64

- Doesn't require an expensive add-on to play it.

- It launched together with the N3DS in the US and Europe.

- It's in 3D. 3D Zelda sells better than 2D Zelda.


The original LoZ would to have a word with you last point ;)

yes, MM has a lot going for it, but it also have two things working against it (well sort of); its a remake and its a hardcore title. That will limit the appeal somewhat, but I still think itll sell 2-3m units. OoT has sold 3.6m so far, and theres no way at all MM will sell more than OoT



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DanneSandin said:
Samus Aran said:

MM has four things going for it:

- Bigger userbase than N64

- Doesn't require an expensive add-on to play it.

- It launched together with the N3DS in the US and Europe.

- It's in 3D. 3D Zelda sells better than 2D Zelda.


The original LoZ would to have a word with you last point ;)

yes, MM has a lot going for it, but it also have two things working against it (well sort of); its a remake and its a hardcore title. That will limit the appeal somewhat, but I still think itll sell 2-3m units. OoT has sold 3.6m so far, and theres no way at all MM will sell more than OoT

Why not? It's a much better game? :)



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mZuzek said:
Skullwaker said:

Are you trying to say that Twilight Princess has good graphics?

Well I was only thinking about the N64 games when typing that. To be honest by today's standards I think Twilight Princess looks even uglier than those... or Majora's Mask at least.


In no way does TP look worse than MM N64. MM 3DS doesn't even look better.

 



Materia-Blade said:
Nem said:


The problem is we cant for now. Nintendo hasnt made a new Zelda on this N64 style since well... the N64.

Except for wind waker, twilight princess and skyward sword.


-.- Really?!

Especially the wind waker... but i'm sure TP and SS look just like N64 games and are on a portable. 



Samus Aran said:
DanneSandin said:


The original LoZ would to have a word with you last point ;)

yes, MM has a lot going for it, but it also have two things working against it (well sort of); its a remake and its a hardcore title. That will limit the appeal somewhat, but I still think itll sell 2-3m units. OoT has sold 3.6m so far, and theres no way at all MM will sell more than OoT

Why not? It's a much better game? :)

Among Zelda fans it might be considered a better game, but not by the large majority ;)



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Good numbers for MM 3D !



DanneSandin said:
Samus Aran said:

Why not? It's a much better game? :)

Among Zelda fans it might be considered a better game, but not by the large majority ;)

Just because OoT came first. It's really not as good as most people claim.