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Melee was probably my fav Smash Bros game in the series.. at least until Smash Wii.U came out. Now it's a tie between the two.
However I never were a fan of the the Smash Bros Melee crowd..



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Hedra42 said:
ohmylanta1003 said:

LOL!!! This is priceless. Honestly, one of the funniest things I have ever read in my whole life. Thank you.

But he's right.

According to reports, the venue didn't have a permit to host that number of people. They didn't have a permit for all the extra electrical equipment. When this was discovered, the local fire marshals closed the whole thing down as it was deemed a fire hazard. These are safety things that should have been checked and dealt with before the event began. On top of that, there'd been damage to the building due to recent storms.

How is that funny?

That's great man. Doesn't matter. It isn't the job of the event coordinator to fucking inspect the building to make sure all codes are being followed. Should I, if I'm coordinating an event, know this handbook cover to cover?

http://www.illinois.gov/cdb/business/codes/Documents/BuildingCodesDirectory.pdf

It is the job of the people who work at the establishment and building inspectors to make sure that codes are not being broken. Not the goddamn customer. If I say that I want rooms for 1,000 people and they don't have room for 1,000 people, the hotel needs to say so. I do not have to babysit them.

Another example: every food establishment displays a sign indicating how many people are allowed to be in the restaurant at one time. Is it my job, AS A CUSTOMER, to count how many people are in the restaurant to make sure it's okay for me to be in there? Is it? Is it?

Anyway, if you'd like to talk about the responsibility of the customer, let's go bud. I'd be glad to talk. But when I coordinate an event, I'm not gonna ask if the building meets all the building codes, because there's people that are supposed to do that for me (hired BY THE CITY, PAID FOR BY MY TAXES). And I'm certainly not gonna ask what their fucking carbon footprint is. And that is why it's funny.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

2Quick said:

What I don't like is how nintendo actually actively went out of their way to try and appeal to the melee crowd with their new game (speeding it up, adding more weight, bringing back Dr. Mario and Mewtwo) and they aren't open to it yet...

Maybe the metagame will develop for smash bros wii u over time and melee fans will become more open to it...

Not to mention Gamecube controller support.



ohmylanta1003 said:
Hedra42 said:

But he's right.

According to reports, the venue didn't have a permit to host that number of people. They didn't have a permit for all the extra electrical equipment. When this was discovered, the local fire marshals closed the whole thing down as it was deemed a fire hazard. These are safety things that should have been checked and dealt with before the event began. On top of that, there'd been damage to the building due to recent storms.

How is that funny?

That's great man. Doesn't matter. It isn't the job of the event coordinator to fucking inspect the building to make sure all codes are being followed. Should I, if I'm coordinating an event, know this handbook cover to cover?

http://www.illinois.gov/cdb/business/codes/Documents/BuildingCodesDirectory.pdf

It is the job of the people who work at the establishment and building inspectors to make sure that codes are not being broken. Not the goddamn customer. If I say that I want rooms for 1,000 people and they don't have room for 1,000 people, the hotel needs to say so. I do not have to babysit them.

Another example: every food establishment displays a sign indicating how many people are allowed to be in the restaurant at one time. Is it my job, AS A CUSTOMER, to count how many people are in the restaurant to make sure it's okay for me to be in there? Is it? Is it?

Anyway, if you'd like to talk about the responsibility of the customer, let's go bud. I'd be glad to talk. But when I coordinate an event, I'm not gonna ask if the building meets all the building codes, because there's people that are supposed to do that for me (hired BY THE CITY, PAID FOR BY MY TAXES). And I'm certainly not gonna ask what their fucking carbon footprint is. And that is why it's funny.


To add to the hilarity is the fact that the damage done to the building (like the car port) was done way after the venue was secured. When they rented the place initially, the majority of these issues were not concerns and the people running the hotel did not bring these potential issues up to their customer (the tournament organizers). It is like this guy thinks the tournament organizers went to the worst place, with Nintendo money, and rented the venus. Please. That would be absolutely insane. Insane to the point of hilarity.

 

Judgement is a funny thing. Since this clown does not know the whole story, they decided to judge in the wake of thee aftermath. Nicely done.



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So that's where all the old CRTs that people throw away end up... at the Apex Smash tourney lol!

Back OT: don't hate on Melee just because it's perfection and can never be topped no matter how many sequels with tons of obscure characters, items and references Nintendo makes



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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I liked Melee but the fanbase is full of idiots



ohmylanta1003 said:
Hedra42 said:

But he's right.

According to reports, the venue didn't have a permit to host that number of people. They didn't have a permit for all the extra electrical equipment. When this was discovered, the local fire marshals closed the whole thing down as it was deemed a fire hazard. These are safety things that should have been checked and dealt with before the event began. On top of that, there'd been damage to the building due to recent storms.

How is that funny?

(1) That's great man. Doesn't matter. It isn't the job of the event coordinator to fucking inspect the building to make sure all codes are being followed. Should I, if I'm coordinating an event, know this handbook cover to cover?

http://www.illinois.gov/cdb/business/codes/Documents/BuildingCodesDirectory.pdf

(2) It is the job of the people who work at the establishment and building inspectors to make sure that codes are not being broken. Not the goddamn customer. If I say that I want rooms for 1,000 people and they don't have room for 1,000 people, the hotel needs to say so. I do not have to babysit them.

Another example: every food establishment displays a sign indicating how many people are allowed to be in the restaurant at one time. Is it my job, AS A CUSTOMER, to count how many people are in the restaurant to make sure it's okay for me to be in there? Is it? Is it?

(3) Anyway, if you'd like to talk about the responsibility of the customer, let's go bud. I'd be glad to talk. But when I coordinate an event, I'm not gonna ask if the building meets all the building codes, because there's people that are supposed to do that for me (hired BY THE CITY, PAID FOR BY MY TAXES). And I'm certainly not gonna ask what their fucking carbon footprint is. And that is why it's funny.

(1) It is the job of an event organiser to carry out a risk assessment. That means collecting all the neccessary risk assessment data from all parties/contractors involved in the event, and identifying any extra precautions that might be needed. It does not mean you need to learn a 7000 page handbook like the one referenced above. That link is a poor attempt at ridiculing a very important stage of event organisation - a stage that is a legal requirement here in the UK.

(2) All parties have their own resposibilities. Sure, the owner of the venue is responsible for making sure they comply with all health and safety codes but the event organiser is responsible for checking that the venue is suitable and safe for the event they propose to run. The analogy of a customer's responsibility to count people in a restaurant is irrelevant and ridiculous - hotels do not advertise outside their premises how many people they can hold during an event. Whether or not a venue is permitted to hold the number of attendees expected is part of the fact finding exercise the event organiser is (legally) required to do.

(3) You are correct in that if you are an event organiser, you're not expected to inspect the wiring and the structure yourself, and that reports from experts can be provided for you. But it IS your responsibility to make sure the venue is safe and suitable based on that information, and on top of that, ensure any extra safety precautions are put in place in order to accommodate your event. Knowing whether the electrical wiring will take the extra power consumption is a particularly important example, in this case.

I have no comments on the mention of carbon footprints earlier in this thread, as I don't know the context it was taken out of. But it is pure common sense for any event organiser, whether it's a private birthday party in a hotel or an event the size of Glastonbury Festival, to check for any changes in circumstances right up until the time it starts, to make sure everything is still ok for it to go ahead.

Because if people are injured, or worse, killed during an event, no matter who's negligence it was, it ISN'T funny.



GhaudePhaede010 said:
ohmylanta1003 said:

That's great man. Doesn't matter. It isn't the job of the event coordinator to fucking inspect the building to make sure all codes are being followed. Should I, if I'm coordinating an event, know this handbook cover to cover?

http://www.illinois.gov/cdb/business/codes/Documents/BuildingCodesDirectory.pdf

It is the job of the people who work at the establishment and building inspectors to make sure that codes are not being broken. Not the goddamn customer. If I say that I want rooms for 1,000 people and they don't have room for 1,000 people, the hotel needs to say so. I do not have to babysit them.

Another example: every food establishment displays a sign indicating how many people are allowed to be in the restaurant at one time. Is it my job, AS A CUSTOMER, to count how many people are in the restaurant to make sure it's okay for me to be in there? Is it? Is it?

Anyway, if you'd like to talk about the responsibility of the customer, let's go bud. I'd be glad to talk. But when I coordinate an event, I'm not gonna ask if the building meets all the building codes, because there's people that are supposed to do that for me (hired BY THE CITY, PAID FOR BY MY TAXES). And I'm certainly not gonna ask what their fucking carbon footprint is. And that is why it's funny.


To add to the hilarity is the fact that the damage done to the building (like the car port) was done way after the venue was secured. When they rented the place initially, the majority of these issues were not concerns and the people running the hotel did not bring these potential issues up to their customer (the tournament organizers). It is like this guy thinks the tournament organizers went to the worst place, with Nintendo money, and rented the venus. Please. That would be absolutely insane. Insane to the point of hilarity.

 

Judgement is a funny thing. Since this clown does not know the whole story, they decided to judge in the wake of thee aftermath. Nicely done.

Whether or not the whole story is known, the fact remains: the organisers planned an event at a venue which was unsuitable from the outset, and became more unsuitable as the event drew nearer. This happened either because the venue failed to provide the organisers with sufficient or correct safety information, or the organisers failed to carry out their research properly in the first place. Whichever it was, it looks like health and safety was completely ignored and somebody, somewhere, is gravely at fault. Yes, it's insane, but I don't find it hilarious.

And problems occurring after the venue is secured is no excuse - if there was a huge storm going on, somebody should have had the common sense to call the venue and ask whether everything was still okay to go ahead, not least because they'd need to get word out to the attendees of a change of plan as early as possible.

 

EDIT: The more I read about the hotel, the more of a visible disaster it seems to be. I don't know how anyone didn't figure out something wasn't right, when they first secured the venue. The car park roof collapse happened 5 days before the event. Apparently it made the TV news. Yet still it didn't seem to raise any eyebrows, because they still went ahead.



Cloudman said:
Gosh, this is embarrassing and outright terrible, as a big smash fan. I don't even know how to express how terrible and stupid this is. I hope this is not how the usual Melee scene is. I sort of wish Melee would die down. Melee is still an excellent, and fun game to watch, but come on, it's time to move on to the current things...

I haven't played the new game yet but, if Melee is indeed better in most regards... why move on? Just for the sake of moving on? Like I said, I can't really talk about the two games, but IF Melee is still untouched gameplay wise, then I don't see why anyone would want or need to upgrade to a newer, lesser version. 



Nintendo should release a remasterd edition of melee with online mode and charge it for 40 bucks, would make lot of money of people like this