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torok on 23 January 2015

wangjingwanjia said:


I have my whole library at Steam, why would I give it up? That's my point.

 

You don't have to give it up. My point is: if MS service gets better pricing, why wouldn't everybody buy there? You can keep your Steam account and games, but maybe you won't buy as much stuff in there. Unfortunately for Valve, your backlog isn't giving the money, but what you buy now does.

And there is an extra: getting indie devs onboard is easy for MS. Steam has a terrible publishing system in Greenlight. A more Google Play or App Store like approach would get all these people on MS bandwagon.



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V-r0cK on 23 January 2015
Landguy said:
V-r0cK said:

Unfortunately Duke Nukem Forever was such a let down for the fans after waiting so long, I'm kind of afraid of that for HL3.  But I guess it's better to have the game come out than not at all =)

The funny thing about most people saying the DNF being a letdown is that it was really exactly what everyone was asking for.  It didn't change the gameplay style or make verything shiny and fake.  They just finished the game that was literally a next game in the series.  Having been a fan and original doom/wolfenstein/duke player when they were released, this game was great!  It was chessy just like the original and the mechanics were like playing an old game from the late 90's or early 2000's that I missed(like a majority of the Steam library).

When I played DNF it felt like any other DN game but I guess due to the long wait FPS has evolved along with fan's expectations.  If DNF was released way back then im sure fans would've loved it.



Landguy on 23 January 2015
V-r0cK said:
Landguy said:
V-r0cK said:

Unfortunately Duke Nukem Forever was such a let down for the fans after waiting so long, I'm kind of afraid of that for HL3.  But I guess it's better to have the game come out than not at all =)

The funny thing about most people saying the DNF being a letdown is that it was really exactly what everyone was asking for.  It didn't change the gameplay style or make verything shiny and fake.  They just finished the game that was literally a next game in the series.  Having been a fan and original doom/wolfenstein/duke player when they were released, this game was great!  It was chessy just like the original and the mechanics were like playing an old game from the late 90's or early 2000's that I missed(like a majority of the Steam library).

When I played DNF it felt like any other DN game but I guess due to the long wait FPS has evolved along with fan's expectations.  If DNF was released way back then im sure fans would've loved it.

The funny thing to compare this to is Halo.  The fans of the first 2 Halo games often complain that the latest Halo games "don't feel" like the originals anymore.  Yet, based on the MCC sales, they really don't want that either.  If games don't have any innovations and copy or emulate others great innovations, people complain that the game brings nothing new.  

Proves the point that you can't win with gamers no matter what you do.  They are just to damn fickle...



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Panama on 23 January 2015

No because even Phil Spencer likes Steam :^)



S.T.A.G.E. on 23 January 2015
generic-user-1 said:
torok said:


Remember, X1 games are more expensive because they lack DRM.


so with the new app you can buy a game over the xbone app, complete it, and resale it?

Its not really a big deal. From what they've said it seems like its just going to Stream from your Xbox account and you can play the few games MS provides to PC gamers. Well...at least they have one crossplay game. :)



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torok on 23 January 2015
Panama said:
No because even Phil Spencer likes Steam :^)


Shuhei Yoshida has 2 Wii Us and said publicy that he enjoys the console. It doesn't mean that Sony won't try to beat Nintendo and get all the market share.



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narre on 23 January 2015

Valve need to make their own Linux variant and support it with their own GPU API. The only reason why Microsoft is trying to eat Valve's cake is Windows and DirectX API. If Valve don't this, they will die in Microsoft's hands.



Conina on 23 January 2015
torok said:
generic-user-1 said:
 


so with the new app you can buy a game over the xbone app, complete it, and resale it?

DRM != being able to resell. On Steam, your game is linked to an always-online DRM check. If you don't connect to the web eventually, the games won't work. If your Steam account is banned, games won't work. If Steam gets out of business, games won't work. X1 games don't have this issue.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Steam has no always-online-check. You need to be online to INSTALL the game (which is logical because you have to download the data). If you install from a disc (retail games), Steam needs a one-time internet connection for the activation. After that you can switch to the off-line-mode of Steam and use all your Steam-games weeks or months offline.

Sure, if you get your account banned and switch Steam to online-mode, your Steam-games will stop working. But so will digital games you bought on XBL, PSN, Origin, Uplay when your account gets banned... digital X1 games are account-bound and have the same issues!



S.T.A.G.E. on 23 January 2015
Panama said:
No because even Phil Spencer likes Steam :^)


LOL You really think thats the reason? I think its because Microsoft doesn't have the titles to compete with Steam nor do they need. This is associated with Sony and Apple solely. They are trying to kill two birds with one stone by competing with Apple and Sony by using the method Sony used with their console and handheld crossplay.



torok on 23 January 2015
Conina said:

Do you even know what you are talking about? Steam has no always-online-check. You need to be online to INSTALL the game (which is logical because you have to download the data). If you install from a disc (retail games), Steam needs a one-time internet connection for the activation. After that you can switch to the off-line-mode of Steam and use all your Steam-games weeks or months offline.

Sure, if you get your account banned and switch Steam to online-mode, your Steam-games will stop working. But so will digital games you bought on XBL, PSN, Origin, Uplay when your account gets banned... digital X1 games are account-bound and have the same issues!

Yes, I know it has a window of some months (I believe it's one) before you lose access to your games. So, sooner or later you have to be online. It's just a refined version of the always online DRM with a big timeout. There is a big difference between being able to use it for one month offline or being able to use it offline forever.

Bolded is wrong. The XBL and PSN games don't have this kind of online check. If I get my account banned, I can't access it to download my games again, but the installed copies do work. If I have a backup on a HDD, I can even restore it if my console breaks. I'm not losing my games. In Origin ad uPlay you will lose them, since they use the same DRM that Steam does.



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