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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 17 January 2015
UltimateUnknown said:

I personally think of gameplay videos akin to watching a video of a person driving a car I like. Sure I'd find out everything that's in the car and my experience in the car will be very similar to the other person's, but that wouldn't stop me from wanting to drive it. In fact I'd just want it even more because ultimately driving is an interactive experience and the fun of it comes from doing it yourself, not watching someone else do it, even if you're both doing the same thing. But I guess we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this matter because both of us are using anecdotal evidence to prove whether LPs are harmful/helpful to a game's sales. Without any kind of hard numbers either hypothesis would be hard to prove and getting any kind of numbers on this matter would be very difficult.

Back to the two games that Joe mentioned in the video, SSBB and Mario Kart, neither have any substantial story mode. Both of them are very MP focused "social experiences", as you called them, and even you agreed that these benefit from LPs. I don't see how sharing races/matches from those games could be harmful in any way, and again as you yourself mentioned, your experience is vastly different every time you play against different people online or offline. So Nintendo should have no reason to strike any of those videos down. It really is free advertisement at this point, especially to over a million people that are subbed to Joe.

On your other point, I frikkin flipped out when ProJared started doing Nuzlockes of various Pokemon games too. I don't watch many of his other LPs, but I love those Nuzlockes so much...just to see his reaction when any of his pokemon bites the dust. I'm evil like that lololololol.

Well, the thing with Joe's video is that, if you watch closely, the video he uploaded was 5 hours and 54 minutes long and what Nintendo did was that they "copyright claimed" the music in that video. Now, the thing is, they didn't take the video down but rather, they are monotizing the soundtracks in the game since its almost a 6 hour video filled with soundtracks from Nintendo's composers. So all the ad revenue would go to Nintendo and not Joe because he is using "licensed music" from Nintendo without Nintendo's permission but people can still view the video if he decides to activate it. A similar thing would happen if someone did it with say GTA V cause that game is filled with licensed music. And Nintendo is very strict about their music cause it is their music and MK8 certainly has very good ones. (Not to say other games don't but you know what I mean)

The easiest way to work around that of course is to use royalty free music which various sites like youtube and twitch provide for freeeee for LPs. If they do that, than Nintendo as well as other companies will not monotize it at all.

And loll, yea, I love ProJared although I mostly watch him for his 1 minute reviews



                  

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UltimateUnknown on 17 January 2015
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Well, the thing with Joe's video is that, if you watch closely, the video he uploaded was 5 hours and 54 minutes long and what Nintendo did was that they "copyright claimed" the music in that video. Now, the thing is, they didn't take the video down but rather, they are monotizing the soundtracks in the game since its almost a 6 hour video filled with soundtracks from Nintendo's composers. So all the ad revenue would go to Nintendo and not Joe because he is using "licensed music" from Nintendo without Nintendo's permission but people can still view the video if he decides to activate it. A similar thing would happen if someone did it with say GTA V cause that game is filled with licensed musis. And Nintendo is very strict about their music cause it is their music and MK8 certainly has very good ones. (Not to say other games don't but you know what I mean)

The easiest way to work around that of course is to use royalty free music which various sites like youtube and twitch provide for freeeee for LPs. If they do that, than Nintendo as well as other companies will not monotize it at all.

By that logic every game has licensed music from the developer that made it. GTA is different however since it is TRUE licensed music, as in the developer did not make the music in the radio channels and only got permission to include it in the game. But even then I don't see any problems with people uploading and monetizing GTA videos.

Also, do Nintendo even sell their soundtracks separately? If not then once again I don't see what the issue is here. It's not like they're losing out on OST sales. I mean Destiny had one of the best soundtracks of all games last year to the point that they even sell the OST separately on itunes, but I don't see Bungie going out of their way to strike down videos with their music playing in the background of a level. It is part of the game's experience. Nintendo are just being needless archaic and harsh here when there's literally no reason to be.



 

ice on 17 January 2015

They almost didn't let SSB to be streamed for charity so this doesn't surprise me.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 17 January 2015
UltimateUnknown said:

By that logic every game has licensed music from the developer that made it. GTA is different however since it is TRUE licensed music, as in the developer did not make the music in the radio channels and only got permission to include it in the game. But even then I don't see any problems with people uploading and monetizing GTA videos.

Also, do Nintendo even sell their soundtracks separately? If not then once again I don't see what the issue is here. It's not like they're losing out on OST sales. I mean Destiny had one of the best soundtracks of all games last year to the point that they even sell the OST separately on itunes, but I don't see Bungie going out of their way to strike down videos with their music playing in the background of a level. It is part of the game's experience. Nintendo are just being needless archaic and harsh here when there's literally no reason to be.

Well, there have been many cases where GTA has been an issue but it won't be as much of an issue if the youtuber is part of some sort of a program with the publisher I believe that will exclude your channel from being hit with one. Nintendo also has a program like that but Joe is probably not part of it since he doesn't really do Nintendo very often and Nintendo is also more anal about it than most other western Publishers but also less than a few Japanese Publishers but it is their right which is the point I am trying to make since it is them that spent millions of dollars producing the game.

And Nintendo does but it depends on the game. Like, you can find various Nintendo OST's to buy such as Pokemon X&Y and Mario Kart wii and many other titles on itunes/amazon/etc. And they also have stuff for Club Nintendo members like SSB4 OST which is supposed to be exclusive songs btw but you can find them on youtube quite easily.



                  

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Kerotan on 17 January 2015
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
Kerotan said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
Kerotan said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate I only read the first part. Look they have every right but they will continue to decline in popularity while pc, xbox and playstation games thrive. It's their loss and the loss of nintendo fans who would enjoy a massive increase in youtubers playing their favourite games.

Honestly, I highly doubt that youtube affects the outcome of games that much... Look at Bayonetta 2 vs Asscreed Unity as an example. Many youtubers recommended Bayonetta 2 but it sold terribly where as virtually all youtubers said Asscreed Unity is a terrible game yet it sold 5+ million...

Edit: I am not saying Bayonetta 2 should sell as much as Asscreed but the sales of that game is just aweful vs the sales of a broken game is veryyyy high


You're comparing a niche game on the worst selling next gen hardware to a massive selling franchise on the biggest platforms.  But yes youtuber had a massive effect. If the game was good and universally approved those youtubers would have gained it way more sales. Instead they weakened it's sales and deservedly so. Most ninty exclusives are good so that's not a problem nintendo would have dealt with a lot up to this point.  

 

But the bottom line is youtubers affect sales of games they like big or small.  And if they play a big game and have legit reasons to hate it,  the sales will be damaged. 

How did they weaken the sales of Asscreed Unity if it sold more than Black Flag on the respective platform while being a broken/unplayable game with updates that broke it even more? The game is broken and youtubers like TB made a video as to why he wasn't even going to play it yet a broken game managed to outsell its previous itteration on the same platform? So yea, no... Youtubers influence on expensive games aren't very significant at all

it's quite simple. if the game was very well received by youtubers instead of them shitting on it, then the sales would have been even higher. 



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bigtakilla on 17 January 2015

Everyone knows I'm about as big of a Nintendo supporter as they come. Nintendo needs to stop this, it's fucking stupid.



Chubomik on 17 January 2015

And people continue to ignore the sensible BOT problem posts. -_-



Mbolibombo on 17 January 2015

Well that was hilarious :)



bigtakilla on 17 January 2015
Chubomik said:
And people continue to ignore the sensible BOT problem posts. -_-

Even if it's a bot, isn't it Nintendo that controls whether the bot searches for their content. If not than yes, we are being a bit premature. I agree it is a bot, being that Nintendo would more than likely NOT file for that many music copyright violations, they wouldn't need to. They would only need to file one, and it would be a waste of time to file them all but still. If they control what the bot searches for, they need to adjust what it searches for. However, I have seen full Nintendo cutscene movies that are not flagged. It winds up being a "if the shoe fits" thing. 



Chubomik on 17 January 2015
bigtakilla said:
Chubomik said:
And people continue to ignore the sensible BOT problem posts. -_-

Even if it's a bot, isn't it Nintendo that controls whether the bot searches for their content. If not than yes, we are being a bit premature. I agree it is a bot, being that Nintendo would more than likely NOT file for that many music copyright violations, they wouldn't need to. They would only need to file one, and it would be a waste of time to file them all but still. If they control what the bot searches for, they need to adjust what it searches for. However, I have seen full Nintendo cutscene movies that are not flagged. It winds up being a "if the shoe fits" thing. 

I just wish that the people in the actual Youtube comments on this video got the idea. But no, instead of just reasonably being annoyed, they're screaming to high heaven that Nintendo needs to die and are still operating like the 90's.

Nintendo has even said that they would like to work with other Youtube channels, with interviews of Miyamoto himself and Bill Trinen with popular Youtubers like Smosh and iJustine, even playing a few rounds of Mario Kart. They may not be my or anybody on this site's thing, but they're still trying to get out there.

I don't know much about this Copyright stuff, but I just have a feeling that there's more to what Joe's dillema is than, "Durr, we don't want you to play our games on the internet."