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padib said:

"and authorities in the Xinjiang city of Karamy barred anyone wearing burqas, niqabs, hijabs or simply “large beards” from taking public buses."

That's sad. Fundamental Islam can lead to violent fanaticism, but not all fundamentalists are fanatics.

It's another sign of increased religious intolerance around the world, and as a Christian I am against it, even if it doesn't affect my personal religion. Freedom is a value of many progressive countries. But none will stand against this.

Most religious intolerance comes from other religions, e.g. muslims against christians and vice versa. 

The problem with most religions these days is twofold: 

- They're monotheistic, i.e. there can only be one God.

- They have a universal message, i.e. everyone not following their God will burn in hell.

Sorry for not liking those religions padib! 

Of course I'm merely talking about the institutions behind said religions now. Not every Christian, Jew* or Muslim thinks this way. 

* The beliefs of Judaism considering afterlife are more complicated than Christianity and Islam though. 



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Ka-pi96 said:
padib said:

"and authorities in the Xinjiang city of Karamy barred anyone wearing burqas, niqabs, hijabs or simply “large beards” from taking public buses."

That's sad. Fundamental Islam can lead to violent fanaticism, but not all fundamentalists are fanatics.

It's another sign of increased religious intolerance around the world, and as a Christian I am against it, even if it doesn't affect my personal religion. Freedom is a value of many progressive countries. But none will stand against this.

It is pretty harsh (especially the large beards part), but it makes sense. If you think of it as separate from the religion then people covering their faces when they are in the streets isn't a good thing. They could very well be robbers or something, so from a security standpoint it does make sense.

A question of national security is legitimate. However, that puts into question the legitimacy of masqued carnivals such as Halloween, or living in very cold places such as the arctic due to having to be fully covered in the face.

As for beards and hijabs, it is pure intolerance because a beard never was a security concern when it comes to recognising the face of a person.

@Kerotan. I'm confused as to how you think that people who are not religious have not killed for similarly illegitimate reason, and how people of religion have not defended the cause of the oppressed at least at some point in history.



Ka-pi96 said:
padib said:

"and authorities in the Xinjiang city of Karamy barred anyone wearing burqas, niqabs, hijabs or simply “large beards” from taking public buses."

That's sad. Fundamental Islam can lead to violent fanaticism, but not all fundamentalists are fanatics.

It's another sign of increased religious intolerance around the world, and as a Christian I am against it, even if it doesn't affect my personal religion. Freedom is a value of many progressive countries. But none will stand against this.

It is pretty harsh (especially the large beards part), but it makes sense. If you think of it as separate from the religion then people covering their faces when they are in the streets isn't a good thing. They could very well be robbers or something, so from a security standpoint it does make sense.

I'm gonna have to stop going out in winter then.



I hate that thing. Makes women seem like third country citizens and it sucks. Anyways good for China, if their country was there for a specific race of people it should stay that way.



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Samus Aran said:

Most religious intolerance comes from other religions, e.g. muslims against christians and vice versa. 

The problem with most religions these days is twofold: 

- They're monotheistic, i.e. there can only be one God.

- They have a universal message, i.e. everyone not following their God will burn in hell.

Sorry for not liking those religions padib! 

Of course I'm merely talking about the institutions behind said religions now. Not every Christian, Jew* or Muslim thinks this way. 

* The beliefs of Judaism considering afterlife are more complicated than Christianity and Islam though. 

If we look at this thread alone as the best common evidence, we already see that most of the "good riddance" type opinion is from the non-religious.

So far, the most religious intolerance I have been whitnessing is from the non-religious.

As for killing by religious people, look no further than ISIS, they are muslims killing muslims. It's not a question of religion here, and mostly never is. It usually is a question of politics.



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It's understandable in my view and in China's view.



WhiteEaglePL said:
It's understandable in my view and in China's view.

Which part, the burqas, the hijabs or the beards being frowned upon?



padib said:
Ka-pi96 said:
padib said:

"and authorities in the Xinjiang city of Karamy barred anyone wearing burqas, niqabs, hijabs or simply “large beards” from taking public buses."

That's sad. Fundamental Islam can lead to violent fanaticism, but not all fundamentalists are fanatics.

It's another sign of increased religious intolerance around the world, and as a Christian I am against it, even if it doesn't affect my personal religion. Freedom is a value of many progressive countries. But none will stand against this.

It is pretty harsh (especially the large beards part), but it makes sense. If you think of it as separate from the religion then people covering their faces when they are in the streets isn't a good thing. They could very well be robbers or something, so from a security standpoint it does make sense.

A question of national security is legitimate. However, that puts into question the legitimacy of masqued carnivals such as Halloween, or living in very cold places such as the arctic due to having to be fully covered in the face.

As for beards and burqas, it is pure intolerance because a beard never was a security concern when it comes to recognising the face of a person.

@Kerotan. I'm confused as to how you think that people who are not religious have not killed for similarly illegitimate reason, and how people of religion have not defended the cause of the oppressed at least at some point in history.

Nowhere in the Quran does it say women need to wear burqas. 



Samus Aran said:

Nowhere in the Quran does it say women need to wear burqas. 

If they want to wear the burqa as an expression of the religion, be it in the Quran or in the Hadith, it's their expression of religion.

A security issue is legitimate, but why frown upon the beards and hijabs? It becomes clearer that the issue is one of fear, paranoia and intolerance.



HigHurtenflurst said:
Ka-pi96 said:
padib said:

"and authorities in the Xinjiang city of Karamy barred anyone wearing burqas, niqabs, hijabs or simply “large beards” from taking public buses."

That's sad. Fundamental Islam can lead to violent fanaticism, but not all fundamentalists are fanatics.

It's another sign of increased religious intolerance around the world, and as a Christian I am against it, even if it doesn't affect my personal religion. Freedom is a value of many progressive countries. But none will stand against this.

It is pretty harsh (especially the large beards part), but it makes sense. If you think of it as separate from the religion then people covering their faces when they are in the streets isn't a good thing. They could very well be robbers or something, so from a security standpoint it does make sense.

I'm gonna have to stop going out in winter then.

That's.... a very good point.

I guess the main thing I was thinking about is sometimes women refuse to remove them when it is needed to see their faces. I did say it was kinda harsh, it probably could do with some altering, but in some cases it is understandable.



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