Forums - Politics Discussion - China has just banned the burqa in its biggest Muslim city

tiffac said:
JWeinCom said:
tiffac said:
JWeinCom said:
"You can't act outraged when muslims try to force their beliefs on others, then accept it when others force their beliefs on muslims. Doesn't work that way."

Uhhhhhh... when did I say every single muslim tried to force their religion on me?

Well everything was generalized on that sentence. "Others" So my example just went to you. My bad for the misunderstanding ^^;;;

All I was trying to say was that it's hypocritical to complain about muslims (not every one) trying to force their beliefs on others, but to then accept when the Chinese government tries to force their beliefs on others.  

I know, I know my bad. This should teach me not to watch sports and post of serious discussions at the same time. It tends to misunderstanding something, especially when your team is losing. @_@


As a Jets fan, I can relate.



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I'm honestly surprised China hadn't already done this, as their regime is sort of unofficially atheist, and they have a history of coming down hard on anything even resembling an act of public faith. Then again the Hui population is exceedingly small, distant from the center of power and very insular, so they may have seen them as insignificant.



JWeinCom said:

As a Jets fan, I can relate.

Oh man... you have it worse than me :(



"You must accept my rights to believe in whatever I want"
"Ban Islam"



I have such a tough time with this type of law because I'm conflicted.

1) On one hand I hate how we are so tolerant of immigrant cultures, and we lose our own culture and identity in the process of accepting others. On this hand I kind of feel it should be "If you want to come to our country, you should conform to our culture and leave yours at home". Or at the very least, keep your culture, but don't expect anyone else to support or embrace it....essentially just keep it private to your own home. 

But

2) On the other hand, I'm a proud libertarian. And I can't support the banning of something that isn't hurting anyone, and is just a pointless precautionary measure. It's against my beliefs to say people should be arbitrarily stopped from doing something that isn't hurting anyone else.



So in conclusion...I think the Chinese are dicks for enforcing this ban. Not because of religious tolerance and acceptance or whatever...but because the government shouldn't decide what you can and can't wear.



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Why single out a specific religion? Ban all public displays of faith, I say. The sooner those hate mongering cults are removed from our world the better.




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Mr.Playstation said:
I hate that thing. Makes women seem like third country citizens and it sucks. Anyways good for China, if their country was there for a specific race of people it should stay that way.


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Things like these only lead to more hate which is the core of the problem. We need to learn to just get along, no matter what other people believe, say or do (as long as nobody gets hurt that is).

Besides, when you punish a whole group for terrorist attacks, you'll very likely won't hit the people actually responsible for said attacks. Instead, you're pushing a whole lot of innocent people who did nothing bad at all. You make yourself many new enemies. But not a single new friend.

If the people can't get over different beliefs and thoughts, then humanity has failed.



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Ka-pi96 said:
HigHurtenflurst said:
Ka-pi96 said:
padib said:

"and authorities in the Xinjiang city of Karamy barred anyone wearing burqas, niqabs, hijabs or simply “large beards” from taking public buses."

That's sad. Fundamental Islam can lead to violent fanaticism, but not all fundamentalists are fanatics.

It's another sign of increased religious intolerance around the world, and as a Christian I am against it, even if it doesn't affect my personal religion. Freedom is a value of many progressive countries. But none will stand against this.

It is pretty harsh (especially the large beards part), but it makes sense. If you think of it as separate from the religion then people covering their faces when they are in the streets isn't a good thing. They could very well be robbers or something, so from a security standpoint it does make sense.

I'm gonna have to stop going out in winter then.

That's.... a very good point.

I guess the main thing I was thinking about is sometimes women refuse to remove them when it is needed to see their faces. I did say it was kinda harsh, it probably could do with some altering, but in some cases it is understandable.

Not really got any point as soon as you enter a shop you'd be asked to take the scarf off at least therefore revieling your face



OdinHades said:
Things like these only lead to more hate which is the core of the problem. We need to learn to just get along, no matter what other people believe, say or do (as long as nobody gets hurt that is).

Besides, when you punish a whole group for terrorist attacks, you'll very likely won't hit the people actually responsible for said attacks. Instead, you're pushing a whole lot of innocent people who did nothing bad at all. You make yourself many new enemies. But not a single new friend.

If the people can't get over different beliefs and thoughts, then humanity has failed.


That's true but this will never happen be abuse of Islam, they believe that non believers are evil and not to be trusted, so the only people stopping that are themselves