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xwolf7 on 08 January 2015

I don't know but given the history of the franchise i'll go with 30fps and maybe with this game they're aiming for 1080p.




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Goodnightmoon on 08 January 2015
hsrob said:

It's been stated my numerous people that "Nintendo always go for 60fps", THIS IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE.

Zelda games are usually NOT 60fps, even when other Nintendo games on the same hardware were,  this holds true all the way back to at least N64 days. Nintendo will do what they feel is best for this particular game, for them it's all a matter of priorities.

Not much more than 6 months ago people were saying we would never see 1080p60fps on the WiiU aside from 2D Indy titles. Then we got Smash Bros, because Sakurai felt that resolution impacted gameplay when the screen was zoomed out. We also got 60fps, but that clearly was at the expense of shader/effects use, if we compare Smash to Nintendo's other recent first party efforts.

I think it's possible that we will get 1080p30fps if Nintendo decides that image quality, distance visibility has an important impact on the game.

I think it's possible we will get 720p60fps if Nintendo feels it has a significant impact on the fluidity of the combat.

I think it's possible that we could get 1080p60fps if Nintendo wanted but given the level of visual fidelity displayed so far (compared with Smash for example), I don't think that's very likely.

I think it's most likely that we will see 720p30fps because I feel with Zelda Nintendo is most likely to prioritise the creation of a rich, seamless, continuous world with little to no loading times above all else.

Yeah it´s very possible with this one, but maybe they´ll achieve 60fps, I hope so, but i´m hyped for it anyway.



hsrob on 08 January 2015
Goodnightmoon said:
hsrob said:

It's been stated my numerous people that "Nintendo always go for 60fps", THIS IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE.

Zelda games are usually NOT 60fps, even when other Nintendo games on the same hardware were,  this holds true all the way back to at least N64 days. Nintendo will do what they feel is best for this particular game, for them it's all a matter of priorities.

Not much more than 6 months ago people were saying we would never see 1080p60fps on the WiiU aside from 2D Indy titles. Then we got Smash Bros, because Sakurai felt that resolution impacted gameplay when the screen was zoomed out. We also got 60fps, but that clearly was at the expense of shader/effects use, if we compare Smash to Nintendo's other recent first party efforts.

I think it's possible that we will get 1080p30fps if Nintendo decides that image quality, distance visibility has an important impact on the game.

I think it's possible we will get 720p60fps if Nintendo feels it has a significant impact on the fluidity of the combat.

I think it's possible that we could get 1080p60fps if Nintendo wanted but given the level of visual fidelity displayed so far (compared with Smash for example), I don't think that's very likely.

I think it's most likely that we will see 720p30fps because I feel with Zelda Nintendo is most likely to prioritise the creation of a rich, seamless, continuous world with little to no loading times above all else.

Yeah it´s very possible with this one, but maybe they´ll achieve 60fps, I hope so, but i´m hyped for it anyway.

Me too! I honestly don't care what it runs at as long as the decision is made for the right reasons.



KLAMarine on 08 January 2015

They would have to sacrifice on the graphics front which is okay by me. I'm also okay with 720 60.



Zekkyou on 08 January 2015
Materia-Blade said:

smash isn't 2d, its side scrolling. and being side scrolling doesn't make it easier to render in 1080p 60fps.

It doesn't make it inherently easier, but only having to render a very limited region of space (along with only a handful of models) usually means that fighters run at a higher performance rate. It's why Street Fighter 4 managed to hit 720p/60fps on weaker hardware almost 6 years ago, and why SSBU is Nintendo's only self made 1080p/60fps title.

As i said, it's not an inherent fact, but it's how things usually go (since few developers would bother making that tiny render region with high enough quality assets to off-set how small it is).



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Frogger on 08 January 2015
Goodnightmoon said:

I didn´t say anything, and this thread is about the WiiU so if someone tells you "Nintendo always goes to the 60fps" is talking about Nintendo on WiiU, obviously, and is right, almost every Nintendo game on WiiU, not only looks great, also runs at 60fps.


Yes, you very clearly did say something. Even if this thread is about the Wii U, basing Nintendo's design desisions for a franchise they have typically not "gone for" 60fps on other Wii U games that are part of franchises that have a hystory or at least a precidence of running at 60fps on consoles makes no sense.

Has Nintendo ever had a game the size of Zelda running at 60fps? No. They had Xenoblade running 30fps with fraquent dips.



Frogger on 08 January 2015
hsrob said:

It's been stated my numerous people that "Nintendo always go for 60fps", THIS IS NOT ALWAYS TRUE.

Zelda games are usually NOT 60fps, even when other Nintendo games on the same hardware were,  this holds true all the way back to at least N64 days. Nintendo will do what they feel is best for this particular game, for them it's all a matter of priorities.

Not much more than 6 months ago people were saying we would never see 1080p60fps on the WiiU aside from 2D Indy titles. Then we got Smash Bros, because Sakurai felt that resolution impacted gameplay when the screen was zoomed out. Luckily we also got 60fps, but that clearly was at the expense of shader/effects use, which we can see if we compare Smash to Nintendo's other recent first party efforts.

I think it's possible that we will get 1080p30fps if Nintendo decides that image quality/distance visibility has an important impact on the gameplay, but how often is this likely to be an issue?

I think it's possible we will get 720p60fps if Nintendo feels it has a significant impact on the fluidity of the combat in the game, but how much combat is there going to be in the game?

I think it's possible that we could get 1080p60fps if Nintendo wanted to but given the level of visual fidelity displayed so far (compared with Smash for example), I honestly don't think that is the direction they are taking.

I think it's most likely that we will see 720p30fps because I feel with Zelda Nintendo is most likely to prioritise the creation of a rich, seamless, continuous world with little to no loading times, above all else.


While I don't agree with people who say that Nintendo "always" shoot for 60fps, there is a precident where franchises that were typically 30 or less moved to 60fps in later entries. Mario 64 and Sunshine both ran at 30fps, but then Mario games starting from Galaxy ran at 60fps.

And framerate effects more than combat. Games simply don't feel as good to play at 30fps. Even if I was just walking and that's it, I'd want it running at 60fps.

Look at Metroid Prime. It was a game that the designers specifically wanted to be easy when it came to combat because the "challenge comes from exploration." It has similar focuses as Zelda and basically the same amount of combat as Zelda games typically do, yet they chose to make the game 60fps. It even has L-Targeting exactly like Zelda's, so it's not like you need the extra frames for "smoother aiming."



Frogger on 08 January 2015
xwolf7 said:
I don't know but given the history of the franchise i'll go with 30fps and maybe with this game they're aiming for 1080p.


I don't think the hystory of the franchise matters. Before Galaxy, there had never been a 3D Mario game at 60fps. They can, and should, change the standard framerate to 60fps if the hardware can take it.



kupomogli on 08 January 2015

A simple answer and all you have to do is ask another question.

Is Wind Waker 60fps?

There's your answer. No.



xwolf7 on 08 January 2015
spemanig said:
xwolf7 said:
I don't know but given the history of the franchise i'll go with 30fps and maybe with this game they're aiming for 1080p.


I don't think the hystory of the franchise matters. Before Galaxy, there had never been a 3D Mario game at 60fps. They can, and should, change the standard framerate to 60fps if the hardware can take it.

Well that's true, but as other has said before, it depends on the design choices they have taken in the development process, and what they want to achieve and the sacrifices they'll make to accomplish that goal.




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