spemanig said: ...Seven replies, and no one has accurately answered the question? That's even more sad then having to answer it in the first place. Wired controllers offer less input lag than wireless controllers because the input is being read by a direct feed. In fighting games, that is paramount. Most casual players won't even notice, but core players can feel if their input is delayed by even a single frame. Losing a match because your controller could not keep up with your reaction time can be incredebly frustrating to hardcore fighting game players.

Lol this is just wrong as far as I know. Wireless controllers present little to no lag certainly not enough for people to even notice it. Not to mention everyone saying use the wii u pro controller which is wireless. Many people play other fighters that require faster reflexes just fine with wireless controllers as well. Let me see if I can find this post that debunked the whole "wireless controller lag" thing.

blackjackk said: spemanig said: ...Seven replies, and no one has accurately answered the question? That's even more sad then having to answer it in the first place. Wired controllers offer less input lag than wireless controllers because the input is being read by a direct feed. In fighting games, that is paramount. Most casual players won't even notice, but core players can feel if their input is delayed by even a single frame. Losing a match because your controller could not keep up with your reaction time can be incredebly frustrating to hardcore fighting game players. Lol this is just wrong as far as I know. Wireless controllers present little to no lag certainly not enough for people to even notice it.

You could have a point, but Spemanig is right.  If you spend any time on a competitive smash forum you will find that many pros won't touch a wireless controller due to concerns over input lag (whether this is psychological or actual).  There are also WiFi interference concerns during tournaments where lots of wireless controllers are being used.

Here's one
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/178655/make-dualshock-3-wired

Well they're just wrong here's more

http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/comment/2402510/#Comment_2402510

It's a superstition, a myth.
That's really beside the point anyways since most people aren't pros and just play the game to have a good time and will never notice any lag even if there were some.

blackjackk said: Lol this is just wrong as far as I know. Wireless controllers present little to no lag certainly not enough for people to even notice it. Not to mention everyone saying use the wii u pro controller which is wireless. Many people play other fighters that require faster reflexes just fine with wireless controllers as well. Let me see if I can find this post that debunked the whole "wireless controller lag" thing.

Then you don't know, clearly. Wireless controllers do present input lag. That's a fact.

The entire reason people were upset by the gamecube controller tethered to the Wiimote was because that would mean that it's wireless. No one playing real fighting games (successfully) at a professional level is using a controller at all, let alone a wireless one. They are using wired fight pads. If they are outside of the 99th percentile, they are using a wired controller. absolutely none of them are going wireless. False information everywhere.

Read the links I just posted, you're wrong.

spemanig said: blackjackk said: Lol this is just wrong as far as I know. Wireless controllers present little to no lag certainly not enough for people to even notice it. Not to mention everyone saying use the wii u pro controller which is wireless. Many people play other fighters that require faster reflexes just fine with wireless controllers as well. Let me see if I can find this post that debunked the whole "wireless controller lag" thing. Then you don't know, clearly. Wireless controllers do present input lag. That's a fact. The entire reason people were upset by the gamecube controller tethered to the Wiimote was because that would mean that it's wireless. No one playing real fighting games (successfully) at a professional level is using a controller at all, let alone a wireless one. They are using wired fight pads. If they are outside of the 99th percentile, they are using a wired controller. absolutely none of them are going wireless. False information everywhere.

I agree with what you say about the slight input lag however your point is moot.

The reason it is moot because if no wired option was provided then everyone would have the same input lag disadvantage hence making it not a disadvantage.

You telling me that these so called pro players would have a dummy fit and not buy the game if a wired option was not provided? Look at 360 with all its fighters over the years and wireless controllers used in tournaments no on complained.

The only reason Nintendo did a wired controller is because they wanted to keep costs down by just producting the controllers from spare parts they had left over from the gamecube era.

blackjackk said: I'm just saying that they're making gamecube controllers branded for the wii u as well why not make wireless ones instead of coming out with this janky adaptor. Also for those saying "wii u pro durr" that's not what we're talking about here. A lot of people prefer the gamecube controller for smash that's what this is about.

just use your wavebird? but yes, nintendo should make new wavebirds, with the new superfast nintendo wireless tech inside. but that will just happen if they get GC support for some more games. and wireless is fine for smash, the tech nintendo uses in the wii u is superior to every other wireless tech on the market, its realy fast, you shouldnt get a meaningfull lag(not like on ps4 an xbone with the old tech standard bluetooth inside).

Cobretti2 said: spemanig said: blackjackk said: Lol this is just wrong as far as I know. Wireless controllers present little to no lag certainly not enough for people to even notice it. Not to mention everyone saying use the wii u pro controller which is wireless. Many people play other fighters that require faster reflexes just fine with wireless controllers as well. Let me see if I can find this post that debunked the whole "wireless controller lag" thing. Then you don't know, clearly. Wireless controllers do present input lag. That's a fact. The entire reason people were upset by the gamecube controller tethered to the Wiimote was because that would mean that it's wireless. No one playing real fighting games (successfully) at a professional level is using a controller at all, let alone a wireless one. They are using wired fight pads. If they are outside of the 99th percentile, they are using a wired controller. absolutely none of them are going wireless. False information everywhere. I agree with what you say about the slight input lag however your point is moot. The reason it is moot because if no wired option was provided then everyone would have the same input lag disadvantage hence making it not a disadvantage. You telling me that these so called pro players would have a dummy fit and not buy the game if a wired option was not provided? Look at 360 with all its fighters over the years and wireless controllers used in tournaments no on complained. The only reason Nintendo did a wired controller is because they wanted to keep costs down by just producting the controllers from spare parts they had left over from the gamecube era.

This is 100% the reason.

About the input lag, it can be a problem.  I was playing Marvel vs Street Fighter at my buddy's place about a week ago.  I was using my wireless Street Fighter pad.  I was trying to do Ryu's Shinkuu Hadouken right before I hit the ground.  I'd land everytime I'd do it(Never had this issue with a wired controller).  When I try that same move in Marvel vs Capcom 2 on PS3 with my Dualshock 3, it's perfectly fine.  So it "can" be an issue, but you can make it a non-issue with the right technology.

I don't have a wavebird lol. Also, the wii u gamepad has one fram of lag which is 16 ms at 60fps, entirely imperceptible, and that's one of the higher lags for modern wireless controllers.