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Forums - Sales Discussion - OK, I faced it: WiiU can't sell over 15M

 

15M, too low or just ok?

With my heartbroken, I agree. 291 32.96%
 
A pricecut can still push it to 20M-25M. 426 48.24%
 
Nonsense. WiiU is an assu... 165 18.69%
 
Total:882
Goodnightmoon said:

Then better look at this one, the doubts fades away  ;)

You do realise that this is just the PS4 and XBox Ones first year on the market. Do remember the Wii Us 1st year?  I do and it was very poor, especially when you ignore the cross gen games. Going forward both the X1 and PS4 will leave the Wii U behind both in terms of sheer amount of games but also those rated above either 80 or 90 on metacritic as history shows.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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SubiyaCryolite said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Then better look at this one, the doubts fades away  ;)

You do realise that this is just the PS4 and XBox Ones first year on the market. Do remember the Wii Us 1st year?  I do and it was very poor, especially when you ignore the cross gen games. Going forward both the X1 and PS4 will leave the Wii U behind both in terms of sheer amount of games but also those rated above either 80 or 90 on metacritic as history shows.

Even in its first full year Wii U had:
- Zombie U
- New super Mario U
-New Super Luigi U
-Wonderfull 101
- Lego City Undercover
- Nintendoland
- Pinkmin 3
-Zelda Wind Waker HD
- Super Mario 3d World

All this games are good exclusives, how many good exclusives had one and ps4 this year? 2 for console?
And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc...




Goodnightmoon said:

Even in its first full year Wii U had:
- Zombie U
- New super Mario U
-New Super Luigi U
-Wonderfull 101
- Lego City Undercover
- Nintendoland
- Pinkmin 3
-Zelda Wind Waker HD
- Super Mario 3d World

All this games are good exclusives, how many good exclusives had one and ps4 this year? 2 for console?
And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc...


List Wars 2: The Awakening. Lets do this.

And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc... [cross gen multiplats also available on the 360/PS3. PS4/X1 has all of 2014 multiplats as well, something the U does not have and will not have in 2015 and beyond. You can add these if you wish and th PS4/X1 would still have more games in their 1st year]

- Zombie U [77 meta]
- New super Mario U / New Super Luigi U [splitting these two is like splitting Second Son and First Light]  [84 base meta]
- Wonderfull 101 [78 meta]
- Lego City Undercover [80 meta]
- Nintendoland [77 meta]
- Pinkmin 3 [87 meta]
- Zelda Wind Waker HD [console exclusive remaster/remake] [90 meta]
- Super Mario 3d World [93 meta]

- Monster hunter 3 u [82 meta]

-Game and Wario [leaving out low scoring titles eh?] [61 meta]

- Sonic Lost World [63 meta]

 Average Wii U year one (Platform Exclusive Retail) :: 79

 

And now PS4  ::

- Shadowfall [73 meta]

-Driveclub [71 meta]

-Knack [54 meta]

-Second Son / First Light [80 base meta]

-The Last or Us Remastered [console exclusive remaster/remake] [95 meta]

-Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- [84 meta]

-Little Big Planet 3 [80 meta]

-MLB The Show 2014 [83 meta]

Average PS4 year one (Platform Exclusive Retail) :: 78

 

A whole percentage point, nice. These list can be tweaked with any games we left out but the point is the Wii Us 1st year is no better than the PS4s 1st year and just like the Wii U year 2 will turn everything around, except it will continue into 2016 and beyond.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

SubiyaCryolite said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Even in its first full year Wii U had:
- Zombie U
- New super Mario U
-New Super Luigi U
-Wonderfull 101
- Lego City Undercover
- Nintendoland
- Pinkmin 3
-Zelda Wind Waker HD
- Super Mario 3d World

All this games are good exclusives, how many good exclusives had one and ps4 this year? 2 for console?
And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc...


List Wars 2: The Awakening. Lets do this.

And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc... [cross gen multiplats also available on the 360/PS3. PS4/X1 has all of 2014 multiplats as well, something the U does not have and will not have in 2015 and beyond. You can add these if you wish and th PS4/X1 would still have more games in their 1st year]

- Zombie U [77 meta]
- New super Mario U / New Super Luigi U [splitting these two is like splitting Second Son and First Light]  [84 base meta]
- Wonderfull 101 [78 meta]
- Lego City Undercover [80 meta]
- Nintendoland [77 meta]
- Pinkmin 3 [87 meta]
- Zelda Wind Waker HD [console exclusive remaster/remake] [90 meta]
- Super Mario 3d World [93 meta]

- Monster hunter 3 u [82 meta]

-Game and Wario [leaving out low scoring titles eh?] [61 meta]

- Sonic Lost World [63 meta]

 Average Wii U year one (Platform Exclusive Retail) :: 79

 

And now PS4  ::

- Shadowfall [73 meta]

-Driveclub [71 meta]

-Knack [54 meta]

-Second Son / First Light [80 base meta]

-The Last or Us Remastered [console exclusive remaster/remake] [95 meta]

-Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- [84 meta]

-Little Big Planet 3 [80 meta]

-MLB The Show 2014 [83 meta]

Average PS4 year one (Platform Exclusive Retail) :: 78

 

A whole percentage point, nice. These list can be tweaked with any games we left out but the point is the Wii Us 1st year is no better than the PS4s 1st year and just like the Wii U year 2 will turn everything around, except it will continue into 2016 and beyond.


Now without a 95 port of the last year please, you can delete the remake of a 14 years old classic from 2 gens ago if you want.



Goodnightmoon said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Even in its first full year Wii U had:
- Zombie U
- New super Mario U
-New Super Luigi U
-Wonderfull 101
- Lego City Undercover
- Nintendoland
- Pinkmin 3
-Zelda Wind Waker HD
- Super Mario 3d World

All this games are good exclusives, how many good exclusives had one and ps4 this year? 2 for console?
And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc...


List Wars 2: The Awakening. Lets do this.

And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc... [cross gen multiplats also available on the 360/PS3. PS4/X1 has all of 2014 multiplats as well, something the U does not have and will not have in 2015 and beyond. You can add these if you wish and th PS4/X1 would still have more games in their 1st year]

- Zombie U [77 meta]
- New super Mario U / New Super Luigi U [splitting these two is like splitting Second Son and First Light]  [84 base meta]
- Wonderfull 101 [78 meta]
- Lego City Undercover [80 meta]
- Nintendoland [77 meta]
- Pinkmin 3 [87 meta]
- Zelda Wind Waker HD [console exclusive remaster/remake] [90 meta]
- Super Mario 3d World [93 meta]

- Monster hunter 3 u [82 meta]

-Game and Wario [leaving out low scoring titles eh?] [61 meta]

- Sonic Lost World [63 meta]

 Average Wii U year one (Platform Exclusive Retail) :: 79

 

And now PS4  ::

- Shadowfall [73 meta]

-Driveclub [71 meta]

-Knack [54 meta]

-Second Son / First Light [80 base meta]

-The Last or Us Remastered [console exclusive remaster/remake] [95 meta]

-Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- [84 meta]

-Little Big Planet 3 [80 meta]

-MLB The Show 2014 [83 meta]

Average PS4 year one (Platform Exclusive Retail) :: 78

 

A whole percentage point, nice. These list can be tweaked with any games we left out but the point is the Wii Us 1st year is no better than the PS4s 1st year and just like the Wii U year 2 will turn everything around, except it will continue into 2016 and beyond.


Now without a 95 port of the last year please, you can delete the remake of a 14 years old classic from 2 gens ago if you want.



You're right. Perhaps I should also delete all the games that aren't 60fps. Perhaps I should also delete the games that aren't 1080p and franchises that are over a decade old. What do you think?

I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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SubiyaCryolite said:
Goodnightmoon said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Even in its first full year Wii U had:
- Zombie U
- New super Mario U
-New Super Luigi U
-Wonderfull 101
- Lego City Undercover
- Nintendoland
- Pinkmin 3
-Zelda Wind Waker HD
- Super Mario 3d World

All this games are good exclusives, how many good exclusives had one and ps4 this year? 2 for console?
And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc...


List Wars 2: The Awakening. Lets do this.

And WiiU also had Call of duty, Need for speed, Deus ex, Arkham City, Tekken Tournament, Rayman Legends. etc... [cross gen multiplats also available on the 360/PS3. PS4/X1 has all of 2014 multiplats as well, something the U does not have and will not have in 2015 and beyond. You can add these if you wish and th PS4/X1 would still have more games in their 1st year]

- Zombie U [77 meta]
- New super Mario U / New Super Luigi U [splitting these two is like splitting Second Son and First Light]  [84 base meta]
- Wonderfull 101 [78 meta]
- Lego City Undercover [80 meta]
- Nintendoland [77 meta]
- Pinkmin 3 [87 meta]
- Zelda Wind Waker HD [console exclusive remaster/remake] [90 meta]
- Super Mario 3d World [93 meta]

- Monster hunter 3 u [82 meta]

-Game and Wario [leaving out low scoring titles eh?] [61 meta]

- Sonic Lost World [63 meta]

 Average Wii U year one (Platform Exclusive Retail) :: 79

 

And now PS4  ::

- Shadowfall [73 meta]

-Driveclub [71 meta]

-Knack [54 meta]

-Second Son / First Light [80 base meta]

-The Last or Us Remastered [console exclusive remaster/remake] [95 meta]

-Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- [84 meta]

-Little Big Planet 3 [80 meta]

-MLB The Show 2014 [83 meta]

Average PS4 year one (Platform Exclusive Retail) :: 78

 

A whole percentage point, nice. These list can be tweaked with any games we left out but the point is the Wii Us 1st year is no better than the PS4s 1st year and just like the Wii U year 2 will turn everything around, except it will continue into 2016 and beyond.


Now without a 95 port of the last year please, you can delete the remake of a 14 years old classic from 2 gens ago if you want.



You're right. Perhaps I should also delete all the games that aren't 60fps. Perhaps I should also delete the games that aren't 1080p and franchises that are over a decade old. What do you think?

OMG, ok all for you, all the fucking remakes of a year old game counts as a brand new masterpiece, of course....... 



Sales don´t matter. Look at the short lifespan of the Dreamcast, yet it still has one of the strongest followings in modern times and one of the greatest game libraries of all time. Sales matter little when you have a strong software developer behind the console.



WiiU will achieve 15M units sold LTD, but in the end it will not match even GC numbers.

Nintendo must definetely be thinking about the possibility of a new console in 2016.



zumnupy10 said:
Nintendo must definetely be thinking about the possibility of a new console in 2016.


Why should they? Showing up first isn't necessarily bad. But to early is pretty much like to late. No, try to get as much money out of Wii U as possible, roll out a new handheld in late 2016 and do the next home console right.



Puppyroach said:
Sales don´t matter. Look at the short lifespan of the Dreamcast, yet it still has one of the strongest followings in modern times and one of the greatest game libraries of all time. Sales matter little when you have a strong software developer behind the console.


Dreamcast and WiiU are iconic in ways other low selling consoles like Jaguar or 3DO just aren't.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016