Well, for one thing, he specifically stated that, if elected, he will get those soldiers out of Iraq already!

As long as there America doesn't get another Bush, it'll be a good thing, but I'd like Obama.

He says that, but he won't. Personally, I love my country, and I love Americans. But I also love mankind. I would rather see a few thousand volunteer military die each year, then the hundreds of thousands of civilians that would be ethnically cleansed if we left. Obama probably feels the same way. He will tell you that to get elected, but once he is faced with the decision, I don't expect him to do it.

 for one Obama seems that he can think as an individual not as a complete moron or as his party's pet. 

This is the main reason why I'll never vote GOP ... ever.

OT - if Hillary gets the nomination, McCain will pimpslap her into next year. Against Osama? To the gates of hell. Against Obama? Not so much. 

1. Most of them have been conscripted.  I understand the ones that chose to go, but Bush has torn thousands of families apart by force for his personal vendetta against who-knows-what.

2. What about the many, many thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians that we've been killing?  I understand, and support, the desire to help stop ethnic war, but then I must ask if anyone's ever heard of a little place called Jerusalem.  They could use (and want) our help WAY more than Iraq.  It would be a LOT more beneficial than a war over oil.

3. Possibly--if Star Wars has taught me anything, it's that politicians are not altruistic.  But if he was in support of the war, don't you think he'd be a Republican?

 1. Sorry my friend, that is just not true. That's the kind of info found on the internet spread by people who hate Bush more then they love the truth. When you join the military, you sign a contract. That contract states that your time can be extended. While I have great sympathy for the people who did not read what they were signing, I don't call it conscripted either.

2. The war sucks, I wish we never entered it. But that's not the world we live in. The reality is we have created a mess, and while I think worse atrocities have been committed in history, just leaving 24 million people to the wolves would rank at the top. leaving is not really a rational option.

3. It's not an issue of if you support the war. it's more if an issue of what to do with it now. he will have experts that will explain to him what will happen if we stay in the region, and what will happen if we leave. That's what he will base his choices on, not if he is pro war or not. If the answer is "pull the troops Mr president, and we estimate you will be signing 300,000 death certificates", I doubt he will do it .

I am just glad I don't have to be the one to make those choices.  

If McCain would return to his moderate roots, I would be content with him as president.

 The vote was against a bill to restrict certain types of torture, he wanted it to ban all types and that is why he voted against it.

 I may or may not be voting for him, but this is one of the reasons I respect him... He doesn't mince words, his voting record is non-partisan and he has values that with reason he uses to decide the best vote in each individual case and sometime that means giving the impression of flip-flopping. 

Meanwhile, I have a question.  When did it become a bad thing to change your mind if you get new information?

I hope Obama doesn't win, he can talk the talk but that's about it. It'd be even worse if Hilary won, Mccain will have to do.

It sounds like you're listening to Clinton and McCain's speeches, not Obama's.  They seem to think that if they repeat "speeches not solutions" often enough, it will become true, and people will just ignore the goals that Obama lays out in his speeches.

@Legend, what's wrong with renegotiating NAFTA?