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DrDoomz on 04 December 2014
SocialistSlayer said:

legally, it is not defined as a choke hold defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”.

the autopsy showed no damage to the wind pipe or neck bone, and the man did not die of asypyxiation.

he applied a submission hold, which is allowed.

and like i said homicide, in this context, it is not a legal term but a medical one, meaning death by the hand of another. dont confuse medical parlance with legal terms

From what I'm reading, a blood restriction hold is still cosnidered a "choke hold" as it "chokes" the blood flow. Also, from what I'm reading, in order for a "lateral vascular neck restraint" shouldn't it require the crook of the elbow be positioned over the mid of the neck (to prevent it becoming an air choke)? In this case, if you look at the videos, the crook of his elbow was definitely positioned to the side of the neck and his wrist was placed firmly where the throat is.

http://i.imgur.com/2BrlwwI.png



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sc94597 on 04 December 2014

No, I agree that police officers are above the law. It is racist to single out only the white ones.



Materia-Blade on 04 December 2014
Lafiel said:
Skidmore said:
I really feel uncertainty sometimes, it's a sort of mixed bag, what if Brazilian police had a little more "brutality", would Brazil be better?

the answer is no

the core of Brazils problems are overpopulation and rural exodus of lots of uneducated people that have no chance of employment

strict population control and more money for education are what can make Brazil better

you clearly don't know much about brazil.



Materia-Blade on 04 December 2014
reggin_bolas said:
Materia-Blade said:

try breathing with 4 pathetic people on top of you. it was a murder by all 4/5 officers.

How hard is it to comply with this simple f@cking concept. STOP RESISTING. Don't fight a police officer, don't run. How hard is that? Because if everyone did that there wouldn't be anything to complain about. 

There is something seriously wrong with a person's IQ if you can't comply with such a simple command. STOP RESISTING. 

except he wasn't fighting (unless you say words are a new martial art), he was brutally murdered while not attacking anyone. oh, and he DIDN'T RESIST, AS SOON AS HE WAS COWARDLY ATTACKED AND FELL ON THE FLOOR, HE KEPT SAYING HE COULDN'T BREATHE, all that without fighting.



BMaker11 on 04 December 2014
DrDoomz said:
SocialistSlayer said:

legally, it is not defined as a choke hold defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”.

the autopsy showed no damage to the wind pipe or neck bone, and the man did not die of asypyxiation.

he applied a submission hold, which is allowed.

and like i said homicide, in this context, it is not a legal term but a medical one, meaning death by the hand of another. dont confuse medical parlance with legal terms

From what I'm reading, a blood restriction hold is still cosnidered a "choke hold" as it "chokes" the blood flow. Also, from what I'm reading, in order for a "lateral vascular neck restraint" shouldn't it require the crook of the elbow be positioned over the mid of the neck (to prevent it becoming an air choke)? In this case, if you look at the videos, the crook of his elbow was definitely positioned to the side of the neck and his wrist was placed firmly where the throat is.

http://i.imgur.com/2BrlwwI.png

And, even with the semantics of "choke hold" vs "submission hold"...the technique the officer used is illegal/prohibited by the NYPD! The officer shouldn't have done it in the first place. There's no way around it. The officer killed that man. And he got away with it



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Cobretti2 on 04 December 2014

Cop violence is a result of America's gun culture.

They don't know if someone will pull a gun on them, so they automatically have a fear for their lives in their head.

Once you got that fear you act irrational and take down your opponent and then worry about consequences later.

Look at countries that don't have a huge gun culture most the time the police and perps handle it without fuss.

On the off occasion you get a mouth asshole who does not lisen and tries to resist arrest, however they just pin him down.



 

 

RubberWhistleHistle on 04 December 2014

yes, the police here are above the law. the pendulum may swing the other direction one day, but not until we hav had enough of them getting away with EVERYTHING



KLAMarine on 04 December 2014
Materia-Blade said:

yeah, they "accidentaly" ganged up over the unnarmed man and kept on top of him

Police officers do this all the time: they will gang up on you and always seek to have the upper hand when engaging you as a suspect. I see nothing wrong with this.

Materia-Blade said:

while he said he couldnt breathe

I will concede that based on my limited knowledge of sequence of events, administration of first-aid was suspiciously slow after Brown became non-respondent. At the same time, I can't help but wonder what usual take-downs like these look like: are suspects always quiet when taken down like this? I don't know, I'm not a street cop.

Materia-Blade said:

total murder and all officers involved should be hanged do death.

I hope you are joking.



NintendoPie on 04 December 2014
NiKKoM said:
You know.. In my country we don't usually wrestle down a person who gets arrested.. The cops like ask politly to put your arms up and then one of them goes around you asking to lower your arms behind your back.. Our cops try to talk before actually take action which endangers more people..

In my country that happens as well. Coincidentally, my country is the USA.

The scandals and bad decisions, like what's posted in the OP, make the news. The everyday doesn't.



Materia-Blade on 04 December 2014
KLAMarine said:
Materia-Blade said:

yeah, they "accidentaly" ganged up over the unnarmed man and kept on top of him

Police officers do this all the time: they will gang up on you and always seek to have the upper hand when engaging you as a suspect. I see nothing wrong with this.

Materia-Blade said:

while he said he couldnt breathe

I will concede that based on my limited knowledge of sequence of events, administration of first-aid was suspiciously slow after Brown became non-respondent. At the same time, I can't help but wonder what usual take-downs like these look like: are suspects always quiet when taken down like this? I don't know, I'm not a street cop.

Materia-Blade said:

total murder and all officers involved should be hanged do death.

I hope you are joking.

ganging up on top of someone that isn't attacking anyone and is unnarmed is just outrageous. and in this case, it resulted in murder. I sure hope it didn't happen all the time.

and of course I'm NOT joking. those people treat life so lowly, they must be punished.