Materia-Blade said:
try breathing with 4 pathetic people on top of you. it was a murder by all 4/5 officers. |
How hard is it to comply with this simple f@cking concept. STOP RESISTING. Don't fight a police officer, don't run. How hard is that? Because if everyone did that there wouldn't be anything to complain about.
There is something seriously wrong with a person's IQ if you can't comply with such a simple command. STOP RESISTING.
BMaker11 said:
In the top part of your comment, you're wrong. It was a chokehold. You wouldn't say, multiple times "I can't breathe" if your blood, not oxygen, was being cut off. And the death was ruled a homicide by neck compressions, as jlmurph pointed out. And homicide isn't as simple as "death by another person". It is a legal term. Otherwise a "manslaughter" charge and a "homicide" charge would be the same thing. But obviously there is a difference. You could say that the officer committed involuntary manslaughter, which means "unintentional homicide by criminially negligent or reckless conduct"...but this death was ruled a straight up homicide/murder, something that's not limited to "malicious intent" (meaning, intent to kill isn't needed, so that's something that is not required). Many states define it as "intentionally inflicting bodily harm that subsequently results in the victim's death". What intent do you think the officer had when he came from behind and put him in a chokehold after they attempted to arrest him? Give him a massage? No, he meant to weaken him (aka harm him) in order to make subduing him easier. And that intentional harm caused his death. Example: if I punch you in the arm, I don't intend to kill you. But if that punch ruptures an artery and you die from internal bleeding, I've commited a murder. |
legally, it is not defined as a choke hold defined by the NYPD as “any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air.”.
the autopsy showed no damage to the wind pipe or neck bone, and the man did not die of asypyxiation.
he applied a submission hold, which is allowed.
and like i said homicide, in this context, it is not a legal term but a medical one, meaning death by the hand of another. dont confuse medical parlance with legal terms
SocialistSlayer said:
20% are just power hungry 8% are bad cops 2% are legitimately racist
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Oh please, anybody can use statistics to say anything. Forfty percent of all people know that!
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| Dannyson97 said: He didn't do anything wrong, the officer did it in self-defense he had asked the man to go the sidewalk, the man resisted and rushed for the cops gun, and the cop put him in the hold to get him to the floor. The most you could indict the cop for is excessive force. |
Are we watching the same video? It really looks like he had his hands up (waving them away, saying "don't touch me!") when the cop rushed him from behind with the chokehold....
Where exactly did he "rush the cop's gun" here?
The thing is, at least in Georgia, (according to my training. I don't know exactly which law. I was just told.) there is supposed to be a law in place protecting officers that make bad judgement calls while acting in good faith.
It's easy to second guess a police officer from the sidelines after an incident and say what you, with a clear mind and an idea of the outcome, would have done. Cops don't have that luxury. If you don't act decisively and quickly, you could die. There is always a better way of handling a situation but the only way to get experience in law enforcement is to experience things. No training can get you 100% ready for some of the things you encounter.
Bad cops exist. They go down all the time--arrested, suspended, and fined. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's just these incidents of bad judgement combined with skin color that is poisoning peoples perception of cops.
LubeMeUpUncleAlfred said:
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thats why i said "i would say"
these are just my numbers, that i feel are accurate
I remember chasing a big guy (abused his kid a reaked of marijuana). I'm black. He was white. As soon as I told him not to run, he started running. I'm 6 feet tall and he's bigger than I was! Anyway, I finally ran him down, hopped on his back, put my forearms around his neck, and finally brought him down where I could cuff him.
This wasn't a sex thing, either. I was a cop!
What would have happened if our skin color were different and he had died? I was just acting in the spur of the moment in a situation that was my responsibility to handle. That's why I always look at cases like this one and I often take the cop's side of things.
SocialistSlayer said:
thats why i said "i would say" these are just my numbers, that i feel are accurate |
I think he was juat kidding. His post was a Simpsons quote.
| d21lewis said: The thing is, at least in Georgia, (according to my training. I don't know exactly which law. I was just told.) there is supposed to be a law in place protecting officers that make bad judgement calls while acting in good faith. It's easy to second guess a police officer from the sidelines after an incident and say what you, with a clear mind and an idea of the outcome, would have done. Cops don't have that luxury. If you don't act decisively and quickly, you could die. There is always a better way of handling a situation but the only way to get experience in law enforcement is to experience things. No training can get you 100% ready for some of the things you encounter. Bad cops exist. They go down all the time--arrested, suspended, and fined. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's just these incidents of bad judgement combined with skin color that is poisoning peoples perception of cops. |
I was hoping you'd respond. I remember that you did police work and I don't think anyone would try and label you based on this stance.
SocialistSlayer said:
thats why i said "i would say" these are just my numbers, that i feel are accurate |
I meant to say it like this:
Edit: Oh for crying out loud, I can't get this thing to work. Here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpmDIP3Fn2Y
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