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I guess nintendo made them buy the pokemon games to review XD



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JWeinCom said:
That's pretty much the reason why Ruby and Sapphire were my least favorite entries. There is too much water, the water segments are not fun, and they're difficult to navigate. If they didn't change anything, I could see knocking it down a few points for that.

Should the original score be knocked down those same points though?

Really, remakes should get 2 scores.  1 for those that played original and 1 for those that are new.

I mean how is someone who played the first one ale to percieve this score.  Why did it get 2 points lower than it did 10 years ago.  (or whenever game came out).  Was it a bad remake?  Was it buggy?  What made it so much worse than 10 years ago?  Playing most pokemon games I know that they always update the each new game with the new features of its most recent.  Meaning the rmakes will have all the new pokemon, it will have fairy type, ect.  So its not like the game mechanics would be outdated.  So why is the game 2 points lower.

Whats what I woudl be asking if I had played the game before.  



What's wrong with a reviewer being annoyed by over use of something and therefore factoring that into their score. Is this another "reviewers should leave their opinions out of reviews" threads.

If my enjoyment of a game was diminished because of too much water (which includes too much presence of water type monsters in this case), then I would reflect that annoyance in my score. It's also good to be open about that because for people who groove on the water types they will know it's actually a positive for them.

And what the eff is wrong with a 7.8 score? Gaddamit! Every time people talk about how reviewers are too generous with scores, next minute there's a thread that wants to burn a reviewer at the stake because they gave their favourite game a score in the high 7s. For fuck's sake! Bitch about reviewers that give games actual bad scores (like below 6) for trivial or minor points.

Threads like this are part of the problem.



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pokoko said:
sundin13 said:
Honestly, I've always thought that Pokemon games have had too much water...its boring, and the addition of Waterfall and Dive just made it even more of a pain to traverse.

Too much water is a valid complaint, however, I do think the rating system gets weird when talking about remakes. Do you rate a game on how good it is or how good of a remaster it is (or rather, where is the balance)? Rating a remake "badly" because of some fairly artificial complaints about the original game doesn't really sit super well with me, but I can't really figure out where I sit with the matter. I am open for input...

The line that caught my attention was this:

" However, as a remake, it does represent a big missed opportunity to fix several significant balance issues and mechanical problems — the difficulty I had going back after playing the much more modern Pokémon X shows how far Pokémon games have come in 12 years."

Which begs the question, should improvements to bad mechanics from the original games be made?  And if they aren't made, is it valid to deduct points for that?  Should mechanics be modernized in a remake?  At least to the point of filtering out the worst bits and fixing the most annoying?

Depends if those things were considered flaws in the original I suppose. A remake is a chance to fix things that were problems in the original. But it should not necessarily be expected to completely modernise the game.

Having said that if someone were to remake a game like Icewind Dale I would want them to use more modern D'n'D rules for the game and not use the D'n'D rules that were in place at the time, merely because that's how it was in the original. So it's not totally black and white.



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mZuzek said:
binary solo said:
And what the eff is wrong with a 7.8 score? Gaddamit! Every time people talk about how reviewers are too generous with scores, next minute there's a thread that wants to burn a reviewer at the stake because they gave their favourite game a score in the high 7s. For fuck's sake! Bitch about reviewers that give games actual bad scores (like below 6) for trivial or minor points.

The problem is that the reasoning is really weak to give it a 7.8. Still, it's a decent score.
Unlike that time when GameSpot gave my personal GOTY a 6...

But how do you know the "water" thing wasn't just knocking the game down from an 8 to a 7.8. If the feature is annoying enough to the reviewer then the reason is valid. You might think the reason is weak, but if the reviewer offers a reasonable explanation for the things they don't like then that's all we should ask of them. We should not be asking them to only emphasis the things we see as legitimate strengths and weaknesses of a game for the purposes of marking up or down the score of a game.



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binary solo said:
pokoko said:
sundin13 said:
Honestly, I've always thought that Pokemon games have had too much water...its boring, and the addition of Waterfall and Dive just made it even more of a pain to traverse.

Too much water is a valid complaint, however, I do think the rating system gets weird when talking about remakes. Do you rate a game on how good it is or how good of a remaster it is (or rather, where is the balance)? Rating a remake "badly" because of some fairly artificial complaints about the original game doesn't really sit super well with me, but I can't really figure out where I sit with the matter. I am open for input...

The line that caught my attention was this:

" However, as a remake, it does represent a big missed opportunity to fix several significant balance issues and mechanical problems — the difficulty I had going back after playing the much more modern Pokémon X shows how far Pokémon games have come in 12 years."

Which begs the question, should improvements to bad mechanics from the original games be made?  And if they aren't made, is it valid to deduct points for that?  Should mechanics be modernized in a remake?  At least to the point of filtering out the worst bits and fixing the most annoying?

Depends if those things were considered flaws in the original I suppose. A remake is a chance to fix things that were problems in the original. But it should not necessarily be expected to completely modernise the game.

Having said that if someone were to remake a game like Icewind Dale I would want them to use more modern D'n'D rules for the game and not use the D'n'D rules that were in place at the time, merely because that's how it was in the original. So it's not totally black and white.

But see that is the thing.  Pokemon always does update its game mechanics.  Pretty sure Omega Ruby has Fairy type pokemon.  They will have the new moves and all what not that have been added since its original release.

To me the review seems to be docking the game becuase it didn't like its setting.  That would be like docking Assasins Creed 4 because you are not a fan of sailing or water.  your biased.  And no, don't say there may be people out there like you that would like your review.  If there are people out there that hate sailing/water they will ignore AC4 the moment they see a 15 second trailer.  They don't need your review giving the game a bad score in order to pass it up.



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sundin13 said:

Yeah, it seems to be another case of scores making everything worse for everybody. Reviews are primarily for the consumer, and it is impossible to strike a balance between both sides: the side that played the game before and the side that will experience it for the first time. Either you value one side over the other or you release a review that sits in the middle somewhere whose score doesn't really help anyone. Without the score, these would all be valid complaints and comments, but as is, it is hard to say how much weight should be put onto each of these points.

I guess that is my conclusion to every related problem lately: the score is always the problem. 

If I ran my own gaming media website, I'd tell my reviewers to write their opinion but that I'm still going to stick an 8 at the end.  Every single time.  No one ever complains about an 8.



That's at least a better than what I would've scored it. The name "Pokemon" on the tittle warrants the game to be at very least below 5 for me. :)



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