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S.T.A.G.E. said:
2018 is when it will be replaced. Nintendo's sweet spot is five to six years.

Agreed. 6 years tops. Easily 5 years.



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JEMC said:

But there is a problem, one that Nintendo themselves created, of perception: Nintendo makes toys.

I know that's not true, I do know, but with their attitude and marketing towards everybody but specially towards the younger audience, they have put themselves in a situation where many parents would buy a Nintendo console for their younger kids because they see them as a harmless and entertaining toy, unlike Sony and Microsoft that don't hesitate to show that their offerings are the ultimate "gadget".

And here lies Nintendo's other problem: the price of its machines. Remember how badly did the 3DS sold at 250 USD/EUR? And how badly the WiiU sold at 300-350 USD/EUR? It wasn't only because of lack of games, but also because consumers saw them as expensive toys. And that means that even if Nintendo had launched a WiiU with the power of a PS4 and with the same price, sales would have been bad, not as bad, but bad nonetheless, because consumers don't associate Nintendo with expensive.

 

 

Tell you some secret - the Wii U didn't sell at 199 EUR !! I've got mine - a WindWaker HD premium bundle - for that price. I was worried to no end as I saw this offer three weeks after it was advertised....

But - the local retailer had stapels of them!! Even on the day Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze was released...

People didn't buy for 199 EUR. Instead they were looking for 399 EUR PS4s...

 

You're right in that Nintendo is seen as a "toy maker". But there lies Nintendos strenght: they need to embrace this to the fullest potential. The GamePad enables creativity on the user side never seen before in games. 

So Nintendos challengers are not PS4 or XOne but the tablets. And Nintendo offers something here those devices can't: integrety and the good feeling that kids only see content suited to their age.

Nintendo sold a ton of DS via "Brain Training" to people who would never bought a DS otherwise.

Nintendo sold a ton of Wii via Wii Sports to people who would never bought a Wii otherwise.

 Nintendo know needs a Wii U title to sell Wii Us to families as neither PS4, XOne nor tablets are a real alternative.

 



the console will go till 2018,2017 earliest, i think it will have a 5-6 year lifespan



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Conina said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
I believe that the Wii U will have another 3 solid years of support after this., with the next Nintendo console launch in it's 5th year (2017)

Another 3 years, so 2015, 2016 and 2017. Do you really expect solid support for WiiU in 2017 if the successor is released that year? Don't they need all their manpower for the launch-games of the successor to have a strong launch?

Wii support died after the release of Skyward Sword, a whole year before the Wii U launch, since they needed the teams for the WiiU-launch-games.


Yes, I do beleive we will see support until then, if not at least in the form of 2nd and 3rd party outsourcing of their I.P, in the manner of Hyrule Warriors type deals.



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mZuzek said:
Pavolink said:

N64 had 2 Zelda games, better and faster.

Disagree with bold part.

Still, it wasn't to be expected at that point in time. After A Link to the Past and the huge console Zelda drought (still a long drought even considering handheld ones), I think most people thought there would be usually just 1 per console - or when there were 2, they wouldn't be "proper" 2 (Zelda 2 was a totally different (and worse) game, Majora's Mask was just a sort of romhack and the Oracle games were paired versions). In fact, up to this day the GameCube is the only Nintendo console to have two proper Zelda games that were made from the beginning as GameCube games and separate Zelda titles.


NES also has 2. Also, rom hack or not, Majora's Mask is a completly different game from Ocarina of Time aside from the graphics, and even feels better and different.

 

Edit: Also, NES+N64+GameCube (2 Zelda games per console) > SNES+Wii (1 Zelda game per console)



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mZuzek said:
Pavolink said:

NES also has 2. Also, rom hack or not, Majora's Mask is a completly different game from Ocarina of Time aside from the graphics, and even feels better and different.

Did you even read my post? I addressed Zelda 2.

Different feel or not, Majora's Mask was a quick rom-hack more than anything, unlike Twilight Princess which was a full-blown new game.


About Zelda 2, being different or "bad" (it is a very good Zelda game) it is still a Zelda and counts. And finally about Majora's Mask, again, they reused the same graphics because they needed to release soon, but still a different one.



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mine said:

Tell you some secret - the Wii U didn't sell at 199 EUR !! I've got mine - a WindWaker HD premium bundle - for that price. I was worried to no end as I saw this offer three weeks after it was advertised....

But - the local retailer had stapels of them!! Even on the day Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze was released...

People didn't buy for 199 EUR. Instead they were looking for 399 EUR PS4s...

 

You're right in that Nintendo is seen as a "toy maker". But there lies Nintendos strenght: they need to embrace this to the fullest potential. The GamePad enables creativity on the user side never seen before in games. 

So Nintendos challengers are not PS4 or XOne but the tablets. And Nintendo offers something here those devices can't: integrety and the good feeling that kids only see content suited to their age.

Nintendo sold a ton of DS via "Brain Training" to people who would never bought a DS otherwise.

Nintendo sold a ton of Wii via Wii Sports to people who would never bought a Wii otherwise.

 Nintendo know needs a Wii U title to sell Wii Us to families as neither PS4, XOne nor tablets are a real alternative.

 

The WiiU struggling after launch, even despite the price drop, was the consequence of bad marketing and a perceived sentiment of bad investment. At that time, now it is a better investment and sales prove it.

And finding the next "thing" is easier said than done. NintendoLand was supposed to be that game, or something close, and it failed. And I'm not sure if even Nintendo is trying to find it with WiiU or if they are already trying to find it with their next machine.



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mine said:
JEMC said:

But there is a problem, one that Nintendo themselves created, of perception: Nintendo makes toys.

I know that's not true, I do know, but with their attitude and marketing towards everybody but specially towards the younger audience, they have put themselves in a situation where many parents would buy a Nintendo console for their younger kids because they see them as a harmless and entertaining toy, unlike Sony and Microsoft that don't hesitate to show that their offerings are the ultimate "gadget".

And here lies Nintendo's other problem: the price of its machines. Remember how badly did the 3DS sold at 250 USD/EUR? And how badly the WiiU sold at 300-350 USD/EUR? It wasn't only because of lack of games, but also because consumers saw them as expensive toys. And that means that even if Nintendo had launched a WiiU with the power of a PS4 and with the same price, sales would have been bad, not as bad, but bad nonetheless, because consumers don't associate Nintendo with expensive.

 

 

Tell you some secret - the Wii U didn't sell at 199 EUR !! I've got mine - a WindWaker HD premium bundle - for that price. I was worried to no end as I saw this offer three weeks after it was advertised....

But - the local retailer had stapels of them!! Even on the day Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze was released...

People didn't buy for 199 EUR. Instead they were looking for 399 EUR PS4s...

 

You're right in that Nintendo is seen as a "toy maker". But there lies Nintendos strenght: they need to embrace this to the fullest potential. The GamePad enables creativity on the user side never seen before in games. 

So Nintendos challengers are not PS4 or XOne but the tablets. And Nintendo offers something here those devices can't: integrety and the good feeling that kids only see content suited to their age.

Nintendo sold a ton of DS via "Brain Training" to people who would never bought a DS otherwise.

Nintendo sold a ton of Wii via Wii Sports to people who would never bought a Wii otherwise.

 Nintendo know needs a Wii U title to sell Wii Us to families as neither PS4, XOne nor tablets are a real alternative.

 

Problem is a lot of kids don't want a "kids console" for one. Once kids (especially boys) get to about age 9/10, they start to shun "mom approved" products, they want the console their older brother is playing. 

Also I think families are just fine with tablets, lets be honest just because Wii/DS started the "casual/family" play craze doesn't mean they were entitled to own it anymore than Blackberry is entitled to the smartphone market because they were making smartphones before other companies moved in and stole their thunder. 

To be honest, tablets/phones simply offer a better value proposition to casuals/families. The games are dirt cheap or even free, the interface is so easy to use that 3-year-old can master it (no buttons period, every human being understands the concept of touch with their fingers). So the whole "the traditional controller is a barrier" thing has long since been shattered by multiple devices. Beyond that Nintendo devices are laughably restrictive for most casuals, they don't do anything particularily well but play games, whereas a phone or tablet does 50 different things reasonably well. 

Nintendo just can't compete with that, not even factoring in that their marketing can't touch Apple's. People like Mario just fine, but they don't like Mario *so much* so that they will go that far out of their way to bend to Nintendo's idea of what family gaming should be. 

I can understand from a parent's POV too ... raising kids is damn expensive as is, if little Johnny is just as happy playing a $1 Clash of Clans or something versus a $40 copy of Animal Crossing and a seperate $200 purchase for a 3DS XL (versus a iPad that's already sitting around the house) on top of that $300-$400 console that you know you're going to have to buy too ... as a parent who has to pay for bills, braces, ballet class, hockey equipments, summer camp, etc. etc. etc. for his kids, that suits most parents just fine. 



Next year will be it's peak year. And then a solid 4th year and the 5th year will decline towards to launch of the next system at years end.



As long as it's 3 more I'm happy.



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