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Soundwave said:
MikeRox said:

So you're saying that massive price cut for the 3DS in it's first year never happened? Even with off the shelf components, the fact that the Vita is a generation ahead of the 3DS means any first year price drop would have been accepting losses on hardware sales. Sony didn't do that. Nintendo did with their souped up N64.

As for OP's point, anyone seriously thinking the Vita is "saved" at this point is dillusional. The thread was in jest because MS officially have the biggest Vita game behind Sony's biggest title and FIFA.


Cutting the price that sharply early on hurt Nintendo badly precisely because they inisted on using such a exotic component (a 3D screen), you can't ask suppliers to take a loss on a component like that. They will give you much more leeway if you ask for a break on say a heavily mass produced component. 

Sony basically used not only off the shelf parts for the Vita, but they also basically force Vita users to have to buy overpriced propietary memory cards that they make a fat profit margin on. So there's that too. 

IMO Nintendo cut the price in part as well to ensure that they would retain exclusivity on Monster Hunter, because I think Capcom was rethinking that with the 3DS' early performance. So in the long term, that move effectively killed Sony's handheld chances. 

Nintendo should actually use off the shelf components for their next handheld (ditch the dual screen thing too). They will be able to get something that absolutely destroys the Vita in performance by 2016 for a reasonable cost. 

Seeing as the Vita came out in 2012 I would hope so regardless of how customized their components are.

Both the Vita and 3DS used ''exotic'' features, like 3D screen and OLED, dual low res screen versus dual touch panel and QHD screen. Both OLED and 3D have since been optioned instead of being mandatory. Sony has their OP proprietary memory cards, Nintendo has actual games that sell....  Joking Aside theres no need for spin, if you hack 40% of the price of your system over night, expect to make losses. Thats what Nintendo did and what sony didn't.

Really though, I didn't know we had relevant data on the Vita's profitability outside of the BOC which actually saw the Vita costing significantly more then the 3DS despite its ''off the shelf parts''. 



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M$ is showing it's pimp hand. Whoring that Minecraft for some cash. Make that money M$! *bling*







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I saw some people on Gaf suggest that Microsoft may have prevented sony from bundling the game but that seems HIGHLY unlikely seeing as there was a PS4 minecraft bundle.



pbroy said:

M$ is showing it's pimp hand. Whoring that Minecraft for some cash. Make that money M$! *bling*


The contract was already made long ago. MS just didnt break the contract. What really matters is what new game Mojang makes with Microsoft, not games MS just so happened to buy after release. That is already a known trait to MS, to buy things that already exist. The true test for them is to create and show they can. I'm hopeful that they'll put Mojang to the test and gain some legitmate respect in that genre.



JayWood2010 said:
In all honesty i wouldnt mind Microsoft supporting the vita with some of their AA and Arcade titles like Kameo, Viva Pinatas, Minecraft, Ori and the Blind Forest, Max, Banjo, etc

I know it most likely would never happen but I wouldnt mind honestly

Well there were 2 banjo games on GBA and 2 Viva Pinatas on DS. I think there were a couple of other Rare games that came out on Nintendos handhelds too, so it's not like there is no precident. I would imagine the market would be more accepting on 3DS though but who knows.

Side note.  Banjo kazzoie: gruntys revenge was actually a really good game too.



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DialgaMarine said:
Wright said:

 Actually, they couldn't. The deal to have Mincraft on a Playstation was a contract made before MS's purchase. When MS purchased Minecraft, the purchased the contract as well, and are legally obligated to hold their end of it. The same applied to Skype on Vita. 




MS could've broken the deal, bro. Rememeber when they tried to keep Mass Effect from Sony by having a contract with Bioware and then EA bought Bioware? EA chose to break the contract because the contract was not between the new owners and Microsoft, but the company they purchased, which no longer matters if Bioware no longer own their IP's.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
pbroy said:

M$ is showing it's pimp hand. Whoring that Minecraft for some cash. Make that money M$! *bling*


The contract was already made long ago. MS just didnt break the contract. What really matters is what new game Mojang makes with Microsoft, not games MS just so happened to buy after release. That is already a known trait to MS, to buy things that already exist. The true test for them is to create and show they can. I'm hopeful that they'll put Mojang to the test and gain some legitmate respect in that genre.


But the monies... It's like free money. Who doesn't like free money? Are you that baby that doesn't want to take the free money in those commercials?!







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S.T.A.G.E. said:
DialgaMarine said:
Wright said:

 Actually, they couldn't. The deal to have Mincraft on a Playstation was a contract made before MS's purchase. When MS purchased Minecraft, the purchased the contract as well, and are legally obligated to hold their end of it. The same applied to Skype on Vita. 


MS could've broken the deal, bro. Rememeber when they tried to keep Mass Effect from Sony by having a contract with Bioware and then EA bought Bioware? EA chose to break the contract because the contract was not between the new owners and Microsoft, but the company they purchased, which no longer matters if Bioware no longer own their IP's.

Why are people arguing over this? No ones  knows the specifics of any contract and they each can be very different. The contract the developers agreed to may have specifically stressed that MS could not withhold Minecraft from already planned platforms. In the case of ME, Mass Effect 1 didn't come to the PS3 till years later... There could be numerous reasons for this i.e time or resources but equally could have a been a legal matter regarding the contract relating to that game (not future ME titles).

In any case people are taking the OP far too literally, its just ironic that the Vita most successful title since launch is coming from a company owned by MS, sony's main competitor.



Wright said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
LOL Minecraft was coming before MS bought it.


That doesn't mean anything. Microsoft could have stopped it!

 

But they chose not to.


Could it be that microsoft is gearing up to become a publisher instead of console manufacturer.  It isnt really normal for platform holders to release products on the competitors systems. With a product like this that encourages the creation of unlimited content it is also quite difficult to make a sequel that warrants purchase



teigaga said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


MS could've broken the deal, bro. Rememeber when they tried to keep Mass Effect from Sony by having a contract with Bioware and then EA bought Bioware? EA chose to break the contract because the contract was not between the new owners and Microsoft, but the company they purchased, which no longer matters if Bioware no longer own their IP's.

Why are people arguing over this? No ones  knows the specifics of any contract and they each can be very different. The contract the developers agreed to may have specifically stressed that MS could not withhold Minecraft from already planned platforms. In the case of ME, Mass Effect 1 didn't come to the PS3 till years later... There could be numerous reasons for this i.e time or resources but equally could have a been a legal matter regarding the contract relating to that game (not future ME titles).

In any case people are taking the OP far too literally, its just ironic that the Vita most successful title since launch is coming from a company owned by MS, sony's main competitor.

MS could've...they had nothing to do with it to begin with, but they allowed it to complete its process. Somethings should be honored even amongst enemies or competitors.

Contracts are subject to change based on IP holders though. The deal is was made between Sony and the former IP holder. Once MS stepped in, though late in the game it was decent of them to honor it and allow the natural progression to pass.