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Kerotan on 10 November 2014
kowenicki said:
Golden age over? I agree.

Last gen was the peak.


last gen was a peak for casual console gaming which has died thank god with the wii u and kinect 2 floping. Between the X1 and the PS4 they have sold about 20M in less than a year. For the hardcore console gamer like me and you the best is yet to come. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6miaTf1gF4g



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Captain_Tom on 10 November 2014
Scoobes said:
Captain_Tom said:
torok said:
disolitude said:
 

Its funny but Nvidia stock is at a 1 year high and latest revenue numbers are record breaking for the company.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2014/11/07/nvidia-reports-a-record-q315-continued-growth-in-pc-gaming-automotives-large-scale-data-centers/

Yet AMD which has 100% of console GPU and CPU marketshare (wii U excluded but come on) is sucking on Intel and Nvidia's dust on both markets  on the revenue side. 


Just a little joke ;) . Console GPUs won't help a lot on revenue. They will be sold at a contract with mass price and low profit margin, while a desktop GPU is sold standalone for a bigger margin. My point here is that NVidia only started to do this kind of statements after they lost the console contracts. I wonder if the Tegra SoCs stopped being manufactured we wouldn't be seeing some statements about the end of the mobile golden age.

AMD issue is that they have a low margin marketshare (consoles) and 0% mobile share. The higher percentage of laptops on the PC market isn't helping them because Intel dominates and the percentage of devices with dedicated graphics is lower here. They only have a good position on the desktop PC market, but even here I think NVidia can keep the pressure with their tech. In the GPGPU side, Nvidia completely slaughters AMD thanks to CUDA, it's not even a contest.

That is just flat out false.  CUDA is dying off thanks to OpenCL (Which AMD is FAR better at).  That is why Apple is slowily transitioning to pretty much all AMD graphics.

This is a very long and slow transition. For instance, the vast majority of molecular dynamics software that use GPGPUs still use CUDA and this obviously restricts them to nVidia GPUs. Off the top of my head I can't remember seeing any (let me know if you know of any) that run OpenCL. nVidia were so ridiculously early to the party that it will take time before people switch to OpenCL.

I'm not saying that CUDA isn't important, or that it wasn't superior when it first came out.  However as usual AMD is playing the long game and OpenCL will kill off CUDA within the next 5 years.



torok on 11 November 2014
Captain_Tom said:


LOL very true!  Hey but it isn't zero.  I am pretty sure they sold ~3 Shield tablets :P


And Ouyas, they secured that precious little one! Add 5 more units to your numbers.



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torok on 11 November 2014
Captain_Tom said:
torok said:

 In the GPGPU side, Nvidia completely slaughters AMD thanks to CUDA, it's not even a contest.

That is just flat out false.  CUDA is dying off thanks to OpenCL (Which AMD is FAR better at).  That is why Apple is slowily transitioning to pretty much all AMD graphics.

My bad, I meant the HPC market for calculations with GPUs. At least in the academic side, CUDA is the big thing. But don't think I prefer it. If a multiplat solution (like OpenCL) crushes CUDA it would be awesome. Being capable to write code that will run fast (NVidia, make OpenCL fast on your GPUs!!!) on any PC would be amazing.



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NobleTeam360 on 11 November 2014

When is Nvidia going to stop being so salty?



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torok on 11 November 2014
Captain_Tom said:

I'm not saying that CUDA isn't important, or that it wasn't superior when it first came out.  However as usual AMD is playing the long game and OpenCL will kill off CUDA within the next 5 years.


Amem to this. Really, this must happen. Multiplat solutions are the best.



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Captain_Tom on 11 November 2014
torok said:
Captain_Tom said:
torok said:
 

 In the GPGPU side, Nvidia completely slaughters AMD thanks to CUDA, it's not even a contest.

That is just flat out false.  CUDA is dying off thanks to OpenCL (Which AMD is FAR better at).  That is why Apple is slowily transitioning to pretty much all AMD graphics.

My bad, I meant the HPC market for calculations with GPUs. At least in the academic side, CUDA is the big thing. But don't think I prefer it. If a multiplat solution (like OpenCL) crushes CUDA it would be awesome. Being capable to write code that will run fast (NVidia, make OpenCL fast on your GPUs!!!) on any PC would be amazing.


Ok yeah.  Sorry if I sounded aggressive lol.



Kirin_gaming on 12 November 2014

Stop giving a crap about consoles Nv,just keep releasing your amazing and overpriced cards which people will keep buying anyways.(including me lol)



torok on 12 November 2014
Captain_Tom said:


Ok yeah.  Sorry if I sounded aggressive lol.


Don't worry, you didn't sound aggressive, it's being a fair and interesting discussion here.



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SvennoJ on 12 November 2014

The golden days of pc gaming were over after the 90's.

They have a nice market now of people that will upgrade their GPU's to be able to run the latest unoptimized mess for bragging rights.

Anayway sure pc is the largest gaming platform, and can be cheaper for the consumer in the long run. That doesn't mean it's the most profitable platform for AAA games, not by far. Since consoles use AMD cards now, my next one will be AMD as well. Multiplatform games should run better on that.