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SpaceWalker said:
curl-6 said:

LBP and Knack are not Sony's focus any more than Fatal Frame and Bayonetta 2 are Nintendo's focus.

Look at the main franchises, the ones that get the budget and marketing, the ones that get priority. Uncharted/Killzone/Infamous are in a similar vein to Halo/Gears of War, Gran Turismo is in the same vein as Forza. Xbox and Sony prioritise the same demographic range.


Same demographic range has nothing to do with design focus though so you contradicted yourself.No Nintendo game get's as big a budget as Sony and MS games do,not even SSB,SMB,Zelda or Metroid.Infamous being compared to Halo and Gears lol that is a ridiculous comparison.Your comment was wrong period,so just admit it.LBP gets a lot of focus from Sony,which is why it is one of their most successful franchises.Just stick to saying Nintendo focuses on kids and family,because that is the only true thing you said.zNintendo onloy hasd like one mature game so of course their priority is kiddiness.Also if Bayonetta 2 is not Nintendo's focus then why is it on their console and it is the most hyped WiiU game (from them) right now?

No, I did not contradict myself.

Design focus mirrors demographic range, as you make your games to target the audience you want to reach. Infamous does target the same kind of gamers as Gears; 13-40 year old Western males.



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jlmurph2 said:
SpaceWalker said:
jlmurph2 said:

I guess that's why people are actually buying them.


We can agree on that lol.They are doing something better than Nintendo.


What ever that is, it sure isnt making a profit on their wildly successful console sectors in Sony's case...



They are still miles ahead of the Wii U. I don't even consider the Wii U a true 8th generation console. More like 7.5 generation console :P



OttoniBastos said:

Nintendo PR should learn not to be arrogant.They always say things like "we are different" or "our console doesn't need filthy third party software" and yet their console is failing.

Reggie implies that PS4 and Xone are too similar and yet both are outselling WiiU(ps4 outsold LTD in less than 6 months).

Seriously they really need to put someone else in the place of iwata.Someone younger and with a better vision about global modern gamming.I'm not saying Nintendo needs to have a Mountain dew/doritos kind of view but it's obvious that the lack of third party support and online structure is hurting WiiU and will hurt the next machine too.They probably will be the first one to jump on next gen and they will not put a machine as strong as PS5/Xtwo.


Is the wiiu really failing?  I feel like it will turn a profit in the long run and Xbox One likely will be profit negative. It might end up being similar to the Ios/android race. Android has an 80% market share worldwide however Apple is making the lions share of profits. So would you label the IOS line of phones to be failing simply based on hardware unit share?



bowserthedog said:
OttoniBastos said:

Nintendo PR should learn not to be arrogant.They always say things like "we are different" or "our console doesn't need filthy third party software" and yet their console is failing.

Reggie implies that PS4 and Xone are too similar and yet both are outselling WiiU(ps4 outsold LTD in less than 6 months).

Seriously they really need to put someone else in the place of iwata.Someone younger and with a better vision about global modern gamming.I'm not saying Nintendo needs to have a Mountain dew/doritos kind of view but it's obvious that the lack of third party support and online structure is hurting WiiU and will hurt the next machine too.They probably will be the first one to jump on next gen and they will not put a machine as strong as PS5/Xtwo.


Is the wiiu really failing?  I feel like it will turn a profit in the long run and Xbox One likely will be profit negative. It might end up being similar to the Ios/android race. Android has an 80% market share worldwide however Apple is making the lions share of profits. So would you label the IOS line of phones to be failing simply based on hardware unit share?

Comparing Wii U to the iPhone? Nice.



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Guitarguy said:

They are still miles ahead of the Wii U. I don't even consider the Wii U a true 8th generation console. More like 7.5 generation console :P


I don't consider the Xbox One or PS4 current gen consoles based on the fact that the 7th generation was extra long and spanned 2 normal generations and yet when they released these systems they still only had the regular leap in power. Wiiu is a gen 7.5 console, xbone and ps4 are 8th gen and pc is already in the 9th gen using the type of logic you are using. This is all just using your logic on that power is what determines what gen a console is in however I don't have that view. They are all in the 8th gen. The definition of generation is "the entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time". A new generation is about birthing something new and living at the same time as others in that generation. 



jlmurph2 said:
bowserthedog said:
OttoniBastos said:

Nintendo PR should learn not to be arrogant.They always say things like "we are different" or "our console doesn't need filthy third party software" and yet their console is failing.

Reggie implies that PS4 and Xone are too similar and yet both are outselling WiiU(ps4 outsold LTD in less than 6 months).

Seriously they really need to put someone else in the place of iwata.Someone younger and with a better vision about global modern gamming.I'm not saying Nintendo needs to have a Mountain dew/doritos kind of view but it's obvious that the lack of third party support and online structure is hurting WiiU and will hurt the next machine too.They probably will be the first one to jump on next gen and they will not put a machine as strong as PS5/Xtwo.


Is the wiiu really failing?  I feel like it will turn a profit in the long run and Xbox One likely will be profit negative. It might end up being similar to the Ios/android race. Android has an 80% market share worldwide however Apple is making the lions share of profits. So would you label the IOS line of phones to be failing simply based on hardware unit share?

Comparing Wii U to the iPhone? Nice.

I made that comparison to pose a question. What is more relevant to a product being considered successfull hardware unit share or profit?  If the Wiiu ends up selling 25 million hardware units and turns a profit and Xbox one sells 65 million hardware units but loses money is the wiiu a failure and the xbox one a success?



bowserthedog said:
jlmurph2 said:
bowserthedog said:


Is the wiiu really failing?  I feel like it will turn a profit in the long run and Xbox One likely will be profit negative. It might end up being similar to the Ios/android race. Android has an 80% market share worldwide however Apple is making the lions share of profits. So would you label the IOS line of phones to be failing simply based on hardware unit share?

Comparing Wii U to the iPhone? Nice.

I made that comparison to pose a question. What is more relevant to a product being considered successfull hardware unit share or profit?  If the Wiiu ends up selling 25 million hardware units and turns a profit and Xbox one sells 65 million hardware units but loses money is the wiiu a failure and the xbox one a success?


1. The Wii U won't sell that much

2. The E&D division of MS has not taken a loss even with the Xbox One price cuts. If the Xbox One sells 65 million hardware that means that Xbox One sold a ton of software. Xbox has the best tie ratio in the industry and MS knows it.



MohammadBadir said:
Mr Puggsly said:
MohammadBadir said:
When Reggie's blatantly right, all you can do is make digs at the WiiU's sales.


Well the sales imply the Wii U should be more like the other machines. What they're doing doesn't have mass market appeal.

If they can somehow drop that tablet controller, things could be better.

I agree, the WiiU should be more like the PS4One in multiple ways, but how exactly are they supposed to make it like that now? All they could do now is build their online infrastructure and expand their teams as a means of readying for a smoother launch for their next console.

And third parties probably wouldn't have gotten back with Nintendo even if they had a console identical to the PS4. 

No, dropping the WiiU gamepad would make things worse. They'd lose one of the few selling points they've got left, and they'd be left with a weak, third party-less, and generic console.

I think that if Nintendo made a console that was similar to PS4 they would be getting a lot more cross platform support. I can't say how much better 3rd party games would sell but they would certainly sell better than they do right now and more importantly it would take a lot less work to get them running and running well on the system. 3rd party games give or take a few would sell similar to pc games and most games are getting pc versions due to the ease of porting them over to pc. And they are often delayed on pc due to piracy which wouldn't be an issue on wiiu like it is on pc. I think Nintendo really wanted and needed 3rd party games at the beggining on the wiiu becuase it took nintendo some time to get their own content on the system. But i wouldn't say that Nintendo really really cared about 3rd party ports long term. If Nintendo cares about this then they would release hardware which is appealing to 3rd party devs.



jlmurph2 said:
bowserthedog said:
jlmurph2 said:
bowserthedog said:


Is the wiiu really failing?  I feel like it will turn a profit in the long run and Xbox One likely will be profit negative. It might end up being similar to the Ios/android race. Android has an 80% market share worldwide however Apple is making the lions share of profits. So would you label the IOS line of phones to be failing simply based on hardware unit share?

Comparing Wii U to the iPhone? Nice.

I made that comparison to pose a question. What is more relevant to a product being considered successfull hardware unit share or profit?  If the Wiiu ends up selling 25 million hardware units and turns a profit and Xbox one sells 65 million hardware units but loses money is the wiiu a failure and the xbox one a success?


1. The Wii U won't sell that much

2. The E&D division of MS has not taken a loss even with the Xbox One price cuts. If the Xbox One sells 65 million hardware that means that Xbox One sold a ton of software. Xbox has the best tie ratio in the industry and MS knows it.

There is a lot more than Xbox that goes into MS's e and d division. I can assure you that in the upcoming quarter which includes the price drop microsoft is losing money on the xbox one. Looking at Microsoft's profit in the E and D division to make statements on the success of the Xbox One would be about as relevant as looking at sony's overall losses for insights into how successfull ps4 is.