The leader of Iran is Neo-Hitler as far as im concerned. It's beyond me how people can say other wise.

Iran has 3x the population and the terrian would be 10x as difficult. We would not be able to roll our tanks across the desert like we did in Iraq, also seeing how hard it has been to track down osama imagine trying to root out several hundred thousand trained troops out of the mountianous terrian. Yesterday we were doing some live fire while I was doing some training, and we also did some Urban warfare training, I could see how hazardous it would be to do urban let alone mountain where the enemy is concealed and is waiting for you to make your move. They would also be able to plant mines, and IEDs just about anywhere and they would be nearly impossible to detect.

I have no doubt that the US military could overthrow the Ahmenijad government.. but just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. The Taliban was overthrown yet the US, Britain and other countries are still at war in Afghanistan. Saddam Hussein's regime was also overthrown, yet the insurgency remains while the war threatens to outlast even WWII.  Why would war against Iran be any different? There is a lot more to war than having superior equipment and I don't think you're really seeing the big picture here.

Ahmenijad's statements about the Holocaust and Jewish people are reprehensible.. but it has just been talk. He's a loudmouth dictator wanting attention on the world stage. If Israel is attacked, it should defend itself.. however it is not the responsibility of the US military to fight and die for Israel.

 

shio said: Invading Iran would be just like Vietnam, with the US getting owned pretty hard and become, once again (as if it wasn't already), a laughing stock throughout the world.

The US getting owned pretty hard, maybe you should go read about what happened. The US lost 58,000 troops in the war, While killing 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters, the South veitnam forces lost 200k to 250k. The US dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the second world war. Plus 688,000 agricultural acres were sprayed with a chemical called Agent Blue. The US also won over 99% engadement's with the NVA/VC forces. The NVA/VC during their major attack the TET offensive suffered a major defeat, as shown below. Which they claimed to be a victory

 

Country/Force	Killed	Wounded	Missing
US, Korea, Australia	1,536	7,764	11
South Viet Nam	2,788	8,299	587
North Viet Nam and Viet Cong	45,000	not known	not known
Civilian	14,000	24,000		630,000 homeless

 

Griffin said: You guys are just insane if you think Iran would have any chance against the US. Do you guys not remember during the first golf war, Iraq had one of the largest militaries in the world and it was destroyed no problem by the US forces. Not only did they destroy the military, the Iraqi forces where to scared to even get in their planes to fight the US because they were getting blown out of the sky the second they would take off. The US would not even need to place troops in Iran, they would be dropping 100k bombs on this country during an opening attack. The country would be nothing. It is a surprise that Iran is still around right now, they have caused so many problems with the war in Iraq. They have kidnapped British soldiers, they have supplied weapons to insurgents and provide traning fro fighters going to attack US bases in Iraq. Not only that they have came within short distances of US boats in the Mideast waters. The order to kill the boats was given just seconds after the boats left the waters. Iran is also causing problems with Israel, saying that the holocaust never happened and threatening to wipe every Jewish person from the face of the planet. Israel has also been forced to protect herself from these enemies and each time they have destroyed the military of these foreign nations. Also due to these middle east countries attacking Israel they have almost started a third WW. When they go crying to the USSR back in the day, because Israel beat the shit out of them.

Actually they didn't kidnap british soldiers. They got arrested for entering Iran without permission. Iran is not Iraq, as stated earlier. Differences are that Iran is bigger, it has more motivated army, everybody knew what weaponery Iraq had. Nobody really knows what Iran has, but it's definately more heavy than what Iraq had. You're right about that one, that if US would attack, it would do it by air, but after that war, i wouldn't expect gulf of Persia having US troops anymore. USA wouldn't be getting international support, and Israel isn't necessarily in a situation it could really start attacking, since Iran isn't the only neigbouring country that wants the jews out of middle-east. After all, the thing why Iran is in the axis of evil, is because they wanted to trade oil in Euros. Like Iraq.

Sorry but everytime I look at this thread this song plays in my head.

Also it was the first song played on the radio when desert strom started.

Another note the clash was completely agianst there war.

damkira said: I have no doubt that the US military could overthrow the Ahmenijad government.. but just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should. The Taliban was overthrown yet the US, Britain and other countries are still at war in Afghanistan. Saddam Hussein's regime was also overthrown, yet the insurgency remains while the war threatens to outlast even WWII. Why would war against Iran be any different? There is a lot more to war than having superior equipment and I don't think you're really seeing the big picture here. Ahmenijad's statements about the Holocaust and Jewish people are reprehensible.. but it has just been talk. He's a loudmouth dictator wanting attention on the world stage. If Israel is attacked, it should defend itself.. however it is not the responsibility of the US military to fight and die for Israel.

 The war with Iran would not be fought like the war with Iraq the second time or the war in Afghanistan.  The war would be more fought like what happened in the first gulf war.  The US are not coming to help a nation, they would be coming to destroy a dictatoship and its ability to make war.

I also don't think you should start a war just because you can, but when a foreign nation threatens you and the life of your allies, you are forced to act.  The time to attack is not right now, but if Iran continues its path, the US and its allies will have no choice but to destroy the forces that Iran has.  And any attack on Israel by Iran will no doubt bring the US into this confict. 

I also have no doubt in my mind that if Israel has a major attack on it by Iran, and they use Nuclear or chemical weapons Israel will use the full force of its nuclear weapons to bring death to the Iranian government and its ability to sustain itself as a nation.

Do you guys think American troops have the desire to go and fight another war at this point. I mean, the bullshit Iraq has turned in to and all... plus Bush is on his way out anyways. He won't be able to get congress to approve this unless Iran gives him a damn good reason to attack. And thus far I don't see one.
Bush had his swing at good international policy in the 8 years he was in the office and he missed it by a mile. Once he's gone things will get better with Iran.

bdbdbd said: Griffin said: You guys are just insane if you think Iran would have any chance against the US. Do you guys not remember during the first golf war, Iraq had one of the largest militaries in the world and it was destroyed no problem by the US forces. Not only did they destroy the military, the Iraqi forces where to scared to even get in their planes to fight the US because they were getting blown out of the sky the second they would take off. The US would not even need to place troops in Iran, they would be dropping 100k bombs on this country during an opening attack. The country would be nothing. It is a surprise that Iran is still around right now, they have caused so many problems with the war in Iraq. They have kidnapped British soldiers, they have supplied weapons to insurgents and provide traning fro fighters going to attack US bases in Iraq. Not only that they have came within short distances of US boats in the Mideast waters. The order to kill the boats was given just seconds after the boats left the waters. Iran is also causing problems with Israel, saying that the holocaust never happened and threatening to wipe every Jewish person from the face of the planet. Israel has also been forced to protect herself from these enemies and each time they have destroyed the military of these foreign nations. Also due to these middle east countries attacking Israel they have almost started a third WW. When they go crying to the USSR back in the day, because Israel beat the shit out of them.   Actually they didn't kidnap british soldiers. They got arrested for entering Iran without permission. Iran is not Iraq, as stated earlier. Differences are that Iran is bigger, it has more motivated army, everybody knew what weaponery Iraq had. Nobody really knows what Iran has, but it's definately more heavy than what Iraq had. You're right about that one, that if US would attack, it would do it by air, but after that war, i wouldn't expect gulf of Persia having US troops anymore. USA wouldn't be getting international support, and Israel isn't necessarily in a situation it could really start attacking, since Iran isn't the only neigbouring country that wants the jews out of middle-east. After all, the thing why Iran is in the axis of evil, is because they wanted to trade oil in Euros. Like Iraq.

 The british soldiers never entered Iran, they were in international waters when they were attacked by the Iranian army or whatever its called.  Iraq also had a very motivated army during the first gulf war, but when you are in your tank and all of a sudden the tanks beside you start to blow up and you have no idea what did it, you start to lose your will to fight. 

Also the attack on baghdad during the first gulf war was a great example of the military power that the US would bring down on Iran, this city had more SAM sites and AA guns then any location in the entire Veitnam war and the US was able to have bombers overhead and they were not being fired on until  buildings started to blow up, then the Iraqi's started to fire blindly into the air.  The US airforce is 100x stronger then what they were 17years ago.  US bombers could go undected across Iran and drop 80 GPS guilded missiles each.

Griffin said: You guys are just insane if you think Iran would have any chance against the US. Do you guys not remember during the first golf war, Iraq had one of the largest militaries in the world and it was destroyed no problem by the US forces. Not only did they destroy the military, the Iraqi forces where to scared to even get in their planes to fight the US because they were getting blown out of the sky the second they would take off. The US would not even need to place troops in Iran, they would be dropping 100k bombs on this country during an opening attack. The country would be nothing. Shut up, in the Gulf War Iraq was severely weakened because it had just lost their previous war, and against Iran might I add. Though either way Iraq would never win the Gulf war. It is a surprise that Iran is still around right now, they have caused so many problems with the war in Iraq. They have kidnapped British soldiers, they have supplied weapons to insurgents and provide traning fro fighters going to attack US bases in Iraq. Not only that they have came within short distances of US boats in the Mideast waters. The order to kill the boats was given just seconds after the boats left the waters. What problems? The Iranian government doesn't even like Iraq. Iran is also causing problems with Israel, saying that the holocaust never happened and threatening to wipe every Jewish person from the face of the planet. Shut up, yes they have a problem with Israel, but you should know that Iran has the largest population of jews in the Middle East. They only have a problem with zionists. Israel has also been forced to protect herself from these enemies and each time they have destroyed the military of these foreign nations. Also due to these middle east countries attacking Israel they have almost started a third WW. When they go crying to the USSR back in the day, because Israel beat the shit out of them. Iran has never attacked Israel, to my knowledge. Atleast not in recent times.